I didn't say Malkin only gets his pts because of his matchups, but it is a factor. Even in 11/12 his PPG was higher with Crosby in the lineup. But my point was in response to the poster saying that Malkin would have more pts if he was the pens 1C. He would be the 1C if he was better than Crosby. He's not and we both agree on that so whatever lol.
I know that, but that's not the point. The poster said Malkin gets the "garbage players" while Crosby gets the "best wingers". That's obviously not true which is why I brought up Kessel.
I agree it’s a stretch to say, but still we never know. His PPG is higher with Crosby out of The lineup. Either way both benefit from eachother.
I wouldn’t say Crosby or Malkin have the better of anything. It’s all about chemistry. Both have played with inferior linemates and did extremely well. I don’t think it should matter at all.
Yes, he has 9 finishes in the top 10 in PPG. But look at Crosby and Ovechkin. Crosby finished top 4 in 11 straight years, including 1st in 5 straight years. Ovechkin finished 1st in 3 straight years. From 2007 to 2015, only people named Crosby and Ovechkin finished 1st. Malkin has never finished 1st in PPG.
| Year | Sid | Ovi | Geno |
| 2006 | 6 | 5 | n/a |
| 2007 | 1 | 16 | 19 |
| 2008 | 2 | 1 | 3 |
| 2009 | 3 | 1 | 2 |
| 2010 | 4 | 1 | 8 |
| 2011 | 1 | 9 | 37 |
| 2012 | 1 | 38 | 2 |
| 2013 | 1 | 5 | 14 |
| 2014 | 1 | 11 | 2 |
| 2015 | 1 | 8 | 7 |
| 2016 | 4 | 20 | 5 |
| 2017 | 2 | 29 | 4 |
| 2018 | 13 | 15 | 3 |
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I'm not saying Malkin is bad by any means. He's really good, and definitely a joke he was left off the top 100 list. But I don't see an argument for best of his generation.
My point was a healthier Malkin would make thing a lot more close to Crosby and Ovechkin in terms of production. Especially with the way Ovechkins point totals dropped, a healthy Malkin very well could have been up there multiple times with Crosby, perhaps even slightly ahead in the scoring race. Who knows though, but we have seen a Malkin, even as recent as a year ago, best Crosby in the scoring race. He’s fully capable of it, same goes for Crosby.
He’s second to Crosby in PPG for a reason. He deserves that recognition, all I’m saying is between the two...it’s closer than the stats and awards show.
Durability counts. At the end you are ranked all time by the number of goals and the number of points. Its why Gretzky is ranked above Lemeiux and why Willie Mays is ranked above Mickey Mantle. Points goals, Home Runs, hits per game don't count. It only suggests a player could have been more.
Was Gale Sayers a better running back than Walker Peyton. On a given day maybe but Peyton is the greater player.
i agree, Crosby and Ovechkin being healthier does swing everything in their favor and rightfully so.
All I’m saying is people have been using Malkins lack of top offensive stat finishes, and his lack of hardware without some
Major context. But again I’m not saying Malkin gets the benefit of the doubt in terms of what he could have done, but he still had a lot of evidence of what he could have done if healthy. It’s a shame though that it has affected him so much.
I think peak Crosby and Ovie was better than peak Malkin, Ovie for certain imo. And Peak Malkin was a shorter period of time as well
debatable. We never really saw Peak Crosby play out. All we have is shortened seasons, Ovechkin at his peak was a beast and his did last longer, but like I said, Peak Malkin most likely has the best single season out of both of them. It wasn’t long, and yes Crosby was injured.....but let’s not forget how much more dominant he was compared to the other two. Ovechkins peak was better than both IMO, but I’ll always see Malkin as having the single best peak season post lockout.
