What is Malkin missing from being the best player of his generation?

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  1. GreatGonzo

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    Your comparing PPGs at 41 games and 75 games. Malkins PPG is much more impressive. His 2012 season is better than any of Crosby’s.

    In its entirety? Weird way of giving Crosby credit. Who won the Smythe in ‘09? Practically gift wrapping Crosby’s first cup. He then lead them in goals and points in ‘17. Crosby hasn’t been “better”, if anything it’s a wash.

    Well ya because Crosby’s career has been greater. But in terms of talent and skill, Malkin arguably is better. Crosby of course has been way more consistent and at a higher level, Malkins injuries certainly didn’t help that.
     
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    So he is missing leadership on his resume? You don't need a C on your jersey to be considered a good leader. Not taking bad penalties and not having defensive letdowns would help in this regard. He may have been the "man" on another team in offensive production but I doubt he wears the "C".

    To the larger point of his production being better if he played on a different team. You can say the exact same thing about Crosby who, like Malkin, seemed to step up when the other #1C on the team was injured and/or underproducing.

    To insinuate that a professional team paying a player millions of dollars would do anything to hinder his development is grossly naive.

    There is an equally compelling argument to be made that Malkin thrived in an environment where Crosby was the "man" and was going to take the brunt of the media attention and criticism.
     
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    Good post.

    The "anything to bring Crosby down a notch" crowd plays a big role in pushing the Malkin narrative. There are tons of examples of two Top 3 - 5 players of their era playing together without any underlying "what if" narratives.
     
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    Well, he misses players heads when he swings his stick, obviously....
     
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    Doesn’t help that Crosby was better in 3 out of 4 of their runs to the finals
     
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    Malkin was much better in 09 and he was arguably better in 16-17. Also in 15-16 he finished 1 point behind Crosby in playoff scoring.
     
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    Ovie's the best goal producer.
    Sid's the best point producer.
    Malkin is neither.

    Fin
     
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    Not a lot. Let's put it this way: take away Crosby and Ovechkin then Malkin has a pretty good claim to be the best forward drafted from 1991 to 2014.
     
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    Wait what? I think I'm confused but are you saying Crosby was much more dominant than OV and Malkin at his peak, but OV at his peak was the best?
     
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    Sorry for the confusion. I’m saying at their VERY peak season, I would give Malkin the top spot....his 2012 season was(IMO) better than any of the other two. But in terms of overall peak that was more consistent, Ovi has the best one out of the three(08-10).

    Crosby would have had a superior one than both but injuries plagued him. The one thing he has over the other two is consistency....maybe not at the very top, but close to it.
     
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    ahh okay gotcha!
     
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    He's not as good of a goal scorer as Ovechkin and not as good of an overall player as Crosby. He's one of the best players from his generation, but he's most definitely not at the top.
     
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    Health and consistency. He shows flashes of brilliance equal to and sometimes above Crosby and Ovechkin. Injuries are some of the story, but at times he really does look disinterested. Still, he turns it on when it counts (I'm thinking playoffs here), so he's welcome on the Habs anytime.
     
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    One sentence shows why he is not the top of his generation. Well done.
     
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    Yep. Malkin in the playoffs was amazing and frightening as a fan of an opposing team.

    I sometimes wonder how the NHL media and fans would think of Malkin if he was American or Canadian.
     
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    2019 and people still pushing the Geno is better than Sid narrative.. unreal. Move on from 2009.
     
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    Who’s saying he’s better? He may have not been consistent enough, but at his best he was just as, if not better than Sid. You can act like Malkin hasn’t done anything since 2009, or you can look at his latest season just a year ago....or how he lead his team in points and goals a couple of years ago.....either way.
     
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    Canadian Birth certificate. If Geno was from Swift Current or Thunder Bay, they'd be talking about him like he was the Mark Messier v2.0. His skills are damn good and he has a real surly edge. Those skills are only appreciated if you wave the Maple Leaf in international competition.
     
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    Post 2009

    Malkin
    Art Ross
    Hart
    Lindsay
    4th in scoring

    Crosby
    2 smythes
    2 Richards
    2 Lindsay’s
    Hart (three 2nd place finishes)
    Art Ross
     
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    Once again, your point? Your still contradicting yourself with your “this isn’t 09!” Comment. Malkin, when healthy, was clearly dominant. He’s only played 70+ games twice since ‘09
     
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    He's not better than either but as most have said he's also not American or Canadian which doesn't help.
     
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    2019 and people still pushing the nationality narrative? Move on from....... never?
     
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    Crosby and Ovechkin being hit by a bus after they were drafted?
     

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