What if the Kraken traded for Marner?

[Fistfullofbeer]

Yeah. Saw that. Keith is really not very effective at this stage and has 2 more years left. I would rather stick with Gio if we want a vet presence at the blue line.

 

[Tao Jersey Jones]

Yeah. Saw that. Keith is really not very effective at this stage and has 2 more years left. I would rather stick with Gio if we want a vet presence at the blue line.

That's why I put it in this thread instead of the Who do you want and Most likely to be threads.

Didn't think it warranted it's own thread, so I just decided this would be good generic catch all thread since other trades have been discussed in here.

I see it made it's way into the Expansion Draft thread and Vancouver is out of the running.

 

[Fisticuffer]

I’d pass on Keith. There’s no upside other than veteran leadership which we’ll likely get in the expansion draft anyway.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

I’d pass on Keith. There’s no upside other than veteran leadership which we’ll likely get in the expansion draft anyway.

The only upside would be if they are adding some solid prospects and/or picks to go with him. If not, I don't really get why Francis would be interested in a 37 year old Keith.

 

[StarterHart]

The only upside would be if they are adding some solid prospects and/or picks to go with him. If not, I don't really get why Francis would be interested in a 37 year old Keith.

He wouldn't be, unless there was some serious compensation coming along with him, and I don't think Chicago is desperate enough to pay the asking price to lose that contract. At least I don't think they should be, but who knows? If they are, I would not be against it if the price was right. Anything extra we can shake teams down for is only gonna help us out in the long run.

 

[kihei]

Even if the Leafs were looking to trade Marner, which they aren't for at least another year, I can't see them biting on such a package as the OP suggests. From our perspective, I don't really see the point, especially if acquiring Marner would involve draft choices and, I'm guessing that at least a 1st would have to be in that package in addition to whatever else there is. Besides, what are we a Marner or Eichel away from? I think acquiring either would come with way too much downside to be feasible or beneficial.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Even if the Leafs were looking to trade Marner, which they aren't for at least another year, I can't see them biting on such a package as the OP suggests. From our perspective, I don't really see the point, especially if acquiring Marner would involve draft choices and, I'm guessing that at least a 1st would have to be in that package in addition to whatever else there is. Besides, what are we a Marner or Eichel away from? I think acquiring either would come with way too much downside to be feasible or beneficial.

The OP seems to be a Pens fan and like you've said, trading for Marner or Eichel doesn't make sense for an expansion team right out of the gate.

 

[darrylsittler27]

The OP seems to be a Pens fan and like you've said, trading for Marner or Eichel doesn't make sense for an expansion team right out of the gate.

Eichel makes sense.

 

[RainyCityHockey]

Eichel makes sense.

Not for a team starting from scratch in need to built up not just their NHL roster but also their farm system.

 

[StarterHart]

The OP seems to be a Pens fan and like you've said, trading for Marner or Eichel doesn't make sense for an expansion team right out of the gate.

Not for a team starting from scratch in need to built up not just their NHL roster but also their farm system.

Hard disagree on this. Obtaining a YOUNG franchise type player absolutely makes sense for an expansion team, the trick is doing so without damaging your ability to build your roster and depth. This means they would have to acquire significant extra assets in order to pull it off, either in side deals during the expansion draft, or separate trades after the fact. IF you can swing a deal like this without shooting yourself in the foot, you 100% do it.

 

[StarterHart]

Even if the Leafs were looking to trade Marner, which they aren't for at least another year, I can't see them biting on such a package as the OP suggests. From our perspective, I don't really see the point, especially if acquiring Marner would involve draft choices and, I'm guessing that at least a 1st would have to be in that package in addition to whatever else there is. Besides, what are we a Marner or Eichel away from? I think acquiring either would come with way too much downside to be feasible or beneficial.

The "We're not a (insert player here) away from winning" argument doesn't make sense here, as it only really applies to aging players or short term rentals. Your last sentence is the biggest consideration when approaching a potential deal like this. You're right in that the cost/downside may be too high to make the deal work. However, if you can secure enough pieces to make a decent offer, you have to explore it, the upside of getting a young franchise player right out of the gate is too good to ignore.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

The "We're not a (insert player here) away from winning" argument doesn't make sense here, as it only really applies to aging players or short term rentals. Your last sentence is the biggest consideration when approaching a potential deal like this. You're right in that the cost/downside may be too high to make the deal work. However, if you can secure enough pieces to make a decent offer, you have to explore it, the upside of getting a young franchise player right out of the gate is too good to ignore.

I actually agree. To a point.

A young superstar like Eichel, assuming the injury issues check out, could be a good start to the franchise. The problem is that the most valuable assets we have right now our 1st round picks for the next few years. A trade for Eichel would potentially be based on multiple 1st round picks from us over the next 2-3 years and some acquisitions in the expansion draft. Too steep a price for a team that will be limited on elite talent to begin with and gives up the chance to acquire most of such talent when they give up their first round picks.

 

[StarterHart]

I actually agree. To a point.

A young superstar like Eichel, assuming the injury issues check out, could be a good start to the franchise. The problem is that the most valuable assets we have right now our 1st round picks for the next few years. A trade for Eichel would potentially be based on multiple 1st round picks from us over the next 2-3 years and some acquisitions in the expansion draft. Too steep a price for a team that will be limited on elite talent to begin with and gives up the chance to acquire most of such talent when they give up their first round picks.

As I said earlier, it would depend on getting significant resources (including first round picks) in side deals to even take a shot at it. If we can't, then yeah giving away the firsts we currently have for the foreseeable future would be a terrible idea.

Again, I don't think a deal like this is likely to happen at all, it's extremely far fetched. However, if you can gain enough extra picks, you go for it. Those picks are a CHANCE at a decent player, and a very small chance at an elite one. A couple of those chances for an already elite player that is still young is a steal, and the idea that there's no place for a player like Eichel or Marner on this team is ridiculous.

Also as a side point, you obviously don't make a deal for Eichel unless you're 100% clear on what's going on with his neck.

 

[Fistfullofbeer]

As I said earlier, it would depend on getting significant resources (including first round picks) in side deals to even take a shot at it. If we can't, then yeah giving away the firsts we currently have for the foreseeable future would be a terrible idea.

Again, I don't think a deal like this is likely to happen at all, it's extremely far fetched. However, if you can gain enough extra picks, you go for it. Those picks are a CHANCE at a decent player, and a very small chance at an elite one. A couple of those chances for an already elite player that is still young is a steal, and the idea that there's no place for a player like Eichel or Marner on this team is ridiculous.

Also as a side point, you obviously don't make a deal for Eichel unless you're 100% clear on what's going on with his neck.

Agreed. Lets say we get 3-4 additional 1st round picks between this draft and the next (highly unlikely I know). In that case you give up 3 of those picks and player of choice in the expansion draft. Still leaves u with 2 first round picks this season and next (may be later than the 2nd) and gets us a 1C for now and the future (assuming Eichel's neck injury).

I do think its highly unlikely for all this to happen since other teams are going to have better prospects and players than us in that trade.

 

[Mickey Marner]

Leafs fan coming in hostile.

I've humoured with the idea before of rather than just losing a player (Rielly, in that instance) to Seattle, you have them pay you an asset for a better player. While I find the concept intriguing, I unfortunately don't think management is going to be at all receptive to moving a core player, no matter how many Leafs fans volunteer to drive Marner to the airport.

I like the idea personally, but I wouldn't just want a collection of picks. A three quarters for a dollar type trade, like the Pacioretty deal (Tatar, Suzuki, 2nd), would be the sort of package I'd be interested in.

 

[darrylsittler27]

I'm a new Kracken fan from the most pathetic sports franchise of all time. If you trade for Marner
you make the playoffs but he can't handle big games. He may even be at $11 Million, the worst playoff performer ever. Guys like Francis would never bring a cancer like him on board. The Leafs won't trade him because he has no market value. I wouldn't even trade the number 2 pick for him.

 

[StarterHart]

I'm a new Kracken fan from the most pathetic sports franchise of all time. If you trade for Marner
you make the playoffs but he can't handle big games. He may even be at $11 Million, the worst playoff performer ever. Guys like Francis would never bring a cancer like him on board. The Leafs won't trade him because he has no market value. I wouldn't even trade the number 2 pick for him.

Terrible take. Guess who has the most Toronto playoff points on the entire roster? Yep, it's Marner. I see this argument all the time, and it's dumb. The Leafs aren't trading him because they don't want to, he absolutely has value and would bring back a haul. The reason Toronto SHOULD consider doing it is purely because of the flat cap, not because of some dumb knee jerk reaction to the last playoff series he played that completely ignores his past playoff production.

 

[darrylsittler27]

Terrible take. Guess who has the most Toronto playoff points on the entire roster? Yep, it's Marner. I see this argument all the time, and it's dumb. The Leafs aren't trading him because they don't want to, he absolutely has value and would bring back a haul. The reason Toronto SHOULD consider doing it is purely because of the flat cap, not because of some dumb knee jerk reaction to the last playoff series he played that completely ignores his past playoff production.

He ain't worth $11 million and I wouldn't trade the number 2 pick for him. In 3 playoff seasons how many goals does he have?

 

[StarterHart]

He ain't worth $11 million and I wouldn't trade the number 2 pick for him. In 3 playoff seasons how many goals does he have?

This is vastly different than saying he's a cancer and has no trade value. So which is it? And if your sole barometer for a player's value is playoff goals, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck?

 

[darrylsittler27]

This is vastly different than saying he's a cancer and has no trade value. So which is it? And if your sole barometer for a player's value is playoff goals, I don't know what to tell you. Good luck?

R

 

[cannucky]

Don't let the Leaf fans and pundits scam you . all this talk about Marner's playoff record is them deflecting attention away from the fact the so called "GOAT" , Generational Superstar Mathews hasn't done Jack in the playoffs either. Every coach in the league will tell you that no matter who else in the game Mitch Marner is always the smartest guy on the ice , he isn't going anywhere .

How about todays news that Price waived his NMC and the Habs left him off the protected list ?

 

[96]

Please do!!!! That’ll mean I get to remain a Leafs fan !!!

 

[96]

Mathews hasn't done Jack in the playoffs either. Every coach in the league will tell you that no matter who else in the game Mitch Marner is always the smartest guy on the ice , he isn't going anywhere .

LOL what a f***ing loser with 0 hockey knowledge or eyesight apparently. You are everything wrong with this fanbase. You are an embarrassment to this city.

the dumbass has a pic of Keith Ahlie being beat wide in his avatar like Aulie was some defensive star… the guy was a #7 D.

bro is literally a loser LOL.

 

[mac nylander]

I'm a new Kracken fan from the most pathetic sports franchise of all time. If you trade for Marner
you make the playoffs but he can't handle big games. He may even be at $11 Million, the worst playoff performer ever. Guys like Francis would never bring a cancer like him on board. The Leafs won't trade him because he has no market value. I wouldn't even trade the number 2 pick for him.

Oh here we go, you mad 'cus you be coming home from your trash dead end job to drink your bud lights and smoke your dirty cigarettes all in the meantime yelling at your wife everyday because the Leafs suck.

Don't ever come back, fans like you are ****ing cancer

 

[darrylsittler27]

Oh here we go, you mad 'cus you be coming home from your trash dead end job to drink your bud lights and smoke your dirty cigarettes all in the meantime yelling at your wife everyday because the Leafs suck.

Don't ever come back, fans like you are ****ing cancer

Given that almost none of what you said is true, I can assume you are talking about yourself and enjoy losing. Fans like you are the problem.This a Kraken board , get a life.