News Article: What happened?
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Lafleurs Guy
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OpenIceHit
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I really hope MB is reading some of these articles. He can't be totally cut off from the outside world. Can he? It's one thing when fans are discussing it on forums. It becomes another when medias are saying the exact same things as we, fans.
sheed36
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Me too. Berkshire gets a lot of crap around here but he's not wrong here and his points are pretty much what's discussed here regularly. Good read.
The media make a living being controversial and the fans on hf boards are hard core. Both media and hf boards are cognizant biased thru social media. Just hope you teach your kids about respect and such. Todays practise didnt keep the players and fans from having a heckuva good time. The real fans were there.
OpenIceHit
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We're not talking about controversies here. These are simple facts, the reality. Good for them if they had fun.
He's also using an excellent source for advanced stats, so I'm not surprised that this article was good. I harped on him as well when he used to write for HabsEOTP, but his work has been solid on Sportsnet.
MB was below .500 for wingers this off season, with 2 no longer with the team and the 3rd looking like he's done.
Mb neglected to trade for a capable NHL starting tender once Price was reinjured.
Lack of scoring + shoddy goaltending = basement positioning.
Mb neglected to trade for a capable NHL starting tender once Price was reinjured.
Lack of scoring + shoddy goaltending = basement positioning.
Lafleurs Guy
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It's called incompetence. It exists in every workplace. The stupid thing is that they refuse to correct it.
omg 
... so much wrong with that piece of crap. Let's just look at the first claim to begin with.
Consistent misjudging of talent/Avoiding young players
Ever since the 2005 NHL lockout, the trend around the league has been towards youth and taking advantage of players on entry-level contract to provide scoring depth. Yet with Therrien at the helm of the Canadiens, only three prospects have graduated full time to the roster: Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, and Nathan Beaulieu.
hm ok, let's look around the league what contending teams play so many more youngsters (U24) in important roles than the Habs
Montréal: 1 top 3 pick and 2 more = 3
Anaheim: 1 top 6 and 1 more = 2
Boston: 1 top 6 and 3 more = 4
Chicago: 1
Colorado: 2 top 2 and another top 10 = 3
Dallas: 2 top 10 and 2 more = 4
Detroit: 2
Florida: 3 top 3 picks and 2 more = 5
Los Angeles: 2
Nashville: one 4 and an 11 = 2
NYI: 1 top 5 pick
NYR: 2
Pittsburgh: 1
San Jose: 4
St. Louis: 2
Tampa Bay: 2
Washington: 3
okay, so how are the Habs so much worse than other teams to play young players and how is that costing them so much?
Only 4 teams play more youngsters and 3 of them is due to high picks.
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then goes on to compare Beaulieu to Emelin using strictly offensive stats ... wow, awesome job ...
... so much wrong with that piece of crap. Let's just look at the first claim to begin with.Consistent misjudging of talent/Avoiding young players
Ever since the 2005 NHL lockout, the trend around the league has been towards youth and taking advantage of players on entry-level contract to provide scoring depth. Yet with Therrien at the helm of the Canadiens, only three prospects have graduated full time to the roster: Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, and Nathan Beaulieu.
hm ok, let's look around the league what contending teams play so many more youngsters (U24) in important roles than the Habs
Montréal: 1 top 3 pick and 2 more = 3
Anaheim: 1 top 6 and 1 more = 2
Boston: 1 top 6 and 3 more = 4
Chicago: 1
Colorado: 2 top 2 and another top 10 = 3
Dallas: 2 top 10 and 2 more = 4
Detroit: 2
Florida: 3 top 3 picks and 2 more = 5
Los Angeles: 2
Nashville: one 4 and an 11 = 2
NYI: 1 top 5 pick
NYR: 2
Pittsburgh: 1
San Jose: 4
St. Louis: 2
Tampa Bay: 2
Washington: 3
okay, so how are the Habs so much worse than other teams to play young players and how is that costing them so much?
Only 4 teams play more youngsters and 3 of them is due to high picks.
...
then goes on to compare Beaulieu to Emelin using strictly offensive stats ... wow, awesome job ...
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I agree with his criticisms, but he draws a straight line between those criticisms and the collapse, which is wrong.
You can dump all over Therrien for driving in 3rd gear on the highway, but that's a different issue than the tire blow out that left the team waiting for a tow truck.
Winter Eclipse
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omg
Consistent misjudging of talent/Avoiding young players
Ever since the 2005 NHL lockout, the trend around the league has been towards youth and taking advantage of players on entry-level contract to provide scoring depth. Yet with Therrien at the helm of the Canadiens, only three prospects have graduated full time to the roster: Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, and Nathan Beaulieu.
hm ok, let's look around the league what contending teams play so many more youngsters (U24) in important roles than the Habs
Montréal: 1 top 3 pick and 2 more
Anaheim: 1 top 6 and 1 more
Boston: 1 top 6 and 3 more
Chicago: 1
Colorado: 2 top 2 and another top 10
Dallas: 2 top 10 and 2 more
Detroit: 2
Florida: 3 top 3 picks and 2 more
Los Angeles: 2
Nashville: one 4 and an 11
NYI: 1 top 5 pick
NYR: 2
Pittsburgh: 1
San Jose: 4
St. Louis: 2
Tampa Bay: 2
Washington: 3
okay, so how are the Habs so much wrose than other teams to play young players and how is that costing them so much?
"So much wrong" and yet you can provide only one highly incomplete criticism.
indeed.Why don't you include the names of the players you have listed for each team, that way we can get a better idea of what your "important roles" threshold is.
omg
Consistent misjudging of talent/Avoiding young players
Ever since the 2005 NHL lockout, the trend around the league has been towards youth and taking advantage of players on entry-level contract to provide scoring depth. Yet with Therrien at the helm of the Canadiens, only three prospects have graduated full time to the roster: Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, and Nathan Beaulieu.
hm ok, let's look around the league what contending teams play so many more youngsters (U24) in important roles than the Habs
Montréal: 1 top 3 pick and 2 more = 3
Anaheim: 1 top 6 and 1 more = 2
Boston: 1 top 6 and 3 more = 4
Chicago: 1
Colorado: 2 top 2 and another top 10 = 3
Dallas: 2 top 10 and 2 more = 4
Detroit: 2
Florida: 3 top 3 picks and 2 more = 5
Los Angeles: 2
Nashville: one 4 and an 11 = 2
NYI: 1 top 5 pick
NYR: 2
Pittsburgh: 1
San Jose: 4
St. Louis: 2
Tampa Bay: 2
Washington: 3
okay, so how are the Habs so much worse than other teams to play young players and how is that costing them so much?
Only 4 teams play more youngsters and 3 of them is due to high picks.
The point was not the quantity but the actual use of those players. Don't tell me you're ok with how the habs have been handling both Galchenyuk and Beaulieu ?
Bourne Endeavor
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omg
Consistent misjudging of talent/Avoiding young players
Ever since the 2005 NHL lockout, the trend around the league has been towards youth and taking advantage of players on entry-level contract to provide scoring depth. Yet with Therrien at the helm of the Canadiens, only three prospects have graduated full time to the roster: Brendan Gallagher, Alex Galchenyuk, and Nathan Beaulieu.
hm ok, let's look around the league what contending teams play so many more youngsters (U24) in important roles than the Habs
Montréal: 1 top 3 pick and 2 more
Anaheim: 1 top 6 and 1 more
Boston: 1 top 6 and 3 more
Chicago: 1
Colorado: 2 top 2 and another top 10
Dallas: 2 top 10 and 2 more
Florida: 3 top 3 picks and 2 more
Los Angeles: 2
Nashville: one 4 and an 11
NYI: 1 top 5 pick
NYR: 2
Pittsburgh: 1
San Jose: 4
St. Louis: 2
Tampa Bay: 2
Washington: 3
okay, so how are the Habs so much wrose than other teams to play young players and how is that costing them so much?
Because we've done nothing to develop the prospects we have. Every team you listed either has acquired, drafted or developed their kids while we simply stagnate with washed up veterans in lofty roles. When Pavelski continued to progress, San Jose ultimately bent over backwards to properly accommodate his growth. They recognized Thornton is in the twilight of his career and moved on. Conversely, we are still playing Desharnais on the first line despite it being an objective fact he's inferior to both Plekanec and Galchenyuk. Furthermore, we may well have ruined the latter's development by forcing him onto the wing for the majority of his NHL career.
The Canucks-- notoriously against playing young kids-- iced a roster with more players under 22 than they have in almost two decades. They, too, recognized the necessity in development and have since began focusing on a dedicated youth movement. Meanwhile, we, yet again, rotate Weise onto the top line in lieu of Andrighetto. A few seasons back, Therrien played Murray and Bouillon with Subban. That is utterly absurd.
Tampa? Really? Are you just willfully neglecting almost every important piece of their roster is under 30?
Winter Eclipse
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Therrien's coaching has most certainly exacerbated the length and depth of the collapse, thus there is most certainly a straight line between the two.
