Post-Game Talk: We lost to Nashville. NASHVILLE.

[SnipeShowJB11]

Edmonton had 3 players to play more than Nashville's top player Garnlund who played 18:43. McDavid led the pack with 25 minutes. More worrying is that 6 players played less than Jeannot who was on ice the least of Nashville players. He played 13:36. It ain't easy when you play approx 10 minutes/game.

This is our depth in a nutshell. Every coach ends up doing the same things here.

What's the hit for buying out Holland?

Not sure how this team can compete for a cup before some big guns contracts expire

There is no way they can compete unless Holland somehow hits some home runs and trades cap away. He has essentially shut the cup window 90%.

This team would get slaughtered against an actual contender.

 

[K1984]

I almost wish that turnover by Draisaitl in the third where he tried to carry through two forechecks resulted in a GA. Wake the f*** up!

At some point we have to stop calling this type of stupidity a "mistake" and start calling it what it is - lazy selfishness. Leon knows better than to do that, but he can't help himself. This team won't go anywhere until players like Drisaitl and even McDavid start leading the way and stop making these plays that they themselves likely know are stupid.

Nurse - f***ing Nurse. Plays an ok game by his standard (still poor, but not THAT bad) then decides to try and lace a cute little backhand touch pass straight through the defensive slot to nobody that nearly resulted in several goals against in the dying minute.

We can all sit here an blame the depth, blame the coaching, blame the goalie, etc and more than often we would be valid in those criticisms. However, now we are sitting here in about our 5th December in a row where McDavid and Drai choose to take the month off defensively and become our biggest on ice liability up front. Its completely unacceptable for the players that are supposed to be the example playing this style of laissez-faire bullshit hockey. It's been their line that has been getting constantly scored on and caved lately by a wide range of competition quality, not anyone else.

The coach 100% deserves some blame for not splitting them up when it has been painfully obvious for two weeks that they are starting to devolve into their lazy bullshit game when they play with each other too long, but how the hell are they not talking to each other and saying "jesus we have to clean up our own end?"

 

[duul]

What are you talking about. Campbell had a very good game tonight. Without him, we don't make it to overtime. He's had a bad year, but in no way shape or form was this loss his fault tonight.

.886. How many games has he posted a .900 or above this season, which really is the minimum standard of playing decently?

I can think of one or two.

The guy is a joke, sorry.

 

[Soundwave]

At some point we have to stop calling this type of stupidity a "mistake" and start calling it what it is - lazy selfishness. Leon knows better than to do that, but he can't help himself. This team won't go anywhere until players like Drisaitl and even McDavid start leading the way and stop making these plays that they themselves likely know are stupid.

Nurse - f***ing Nurse. Plays an ok game by his standard (still poor, but not THAT bad) then decides to try and lace a cute little backhand touch pass straight through the defensive slot to nobody that nearly resulted in several goals against in the dying minute.

We can all sit here an blame the depth, blame the coaching, blame the goalie, etc and more than often we would be valid in those criticisms. However, now we are sitting here in about our 5th December in a row where McDavid and Drai choose to take the month off defensively and become our biggest on ice liability. Its completely unacceptable for the players that are supposed to be the example playing this style of laissez-faire bullshit hockey. It's been their line that has been getting constantly scored on and caved lately by a wide range of competition quality, not anyone else.

The coach 100% deserves some blame for not splitting them up when it has been painfully obvious for two weeks that they are starting to devolve into their lazy bullshit game when they play with each other too long, but how the hell are they not talking to each other and saying "jesus we have to clean up our own end?"

The Oilers are too stupid to realize McDavid and Draisaitl are not the same person.

McDavid can play 25+ minutes a game without it phasing him too much because he has perhaps the greatest endurance in the history of the NHL. There's never been a player that can still explode late in an absurd 1+ minute shift better than McDavid can.

The Oilers being morons of course assume that because Draisaitl can also put up points that naturally he can do the same as McDavid.

He can't. Draisaitl is a regular human being who happens to be a great player, but he's not the superhuman alien that McDavid is.

So the Oilers do the same shit every year. Play Draisaitl the same minutes as McDavid. Then wonder why by December Draisaitl is gassed out after playing him to death the first two months of the year.

Stupid organization that can't build any depth or find any other way to win games other than riding two players into the ground. Can't draft, can't trade for shit, idiotic pro scouting.

Nurse is a fraud, too low hockey I.Q. of a player to be an actual no.1 D on an actual contender, there's a reason the Oilers didn't miss him at all in the elimination game he was suspended for in the playoffs.

 

[K1984]

Please split up mcdavid and drais for the Dallas game. Teams are starting to figure out what to do against them, including tons of interference.

Holloway - Mcdavid - Yamamoto
RNH - Draisityl - Hyman
Foegle - Ryan - Pulj
Kostin - Shore - X

To be honest that often involves just simply getting the puck in the Oilers zone when they're on the ice lately. Usually puck watching, floating high in the zone, and looping around the zone for a minute plus while we get peppered with scoring chances is what follows next.

 

[duul]

The Oilers are too stupid to realize McDavid and Draisaitl are not the same person.

McDavid can play 25+ minutes a game without it phasing him too much because he has perhaps the greatest endurance in the history of the NHL. There's never been a player that can still explode late in an absurd 1+ minute shift better than McDavid can.

The Oilers being morons of course assume that because Draisaitl can also put up points that naturally he can do the same as McDavid.

He can't. Draisaitl is a regular human being who happens to be a great player, but he's not the superhuman alien that McDavid is.

So the Oilers do the same shit every year. Play Draisaitl the same minutes as McDavid. Then wonder why by December Draisaitl is gassed out after playing him to death the first two months of the year.

Stupid organization that can't build any depth or find any other way to win games other than riding two players into the ground. Can't draft, can't trade for shit, idiotic pro scouting.

Nurse is a fraud, too low hockey I.Q. of a player to be an actual no.1 D on an actual contender, there's a reason the Oilers didn't miss him at all in the game he was suspended for in the playoffs.

Shame I can't like posts.

Yep, how does it feel for the plethora of fans on this board who thought ONE of Nurse/Bouchard/Broberg was going to end up becoming something worthwhile? It's obvious none of them will ever be that top pairing guy. Not even a #2. How does that feel?

Our drafting is an utter debacle. We still haven't drafted, and don't have in the system, anyone who projects to be a top pairing guy. Not even close. LOL. We're quickly falling into the mold of teams we always attacked who were too good to end up drafting in the top 3, but too bad to ever come close to winning a Cup. Stuck in mediocrity with aging stars and lacks of depth.

That is us now. We aren't going to get any more lotto picks in the McDrai era, and we aren't going to come close to winning a Cup with the group we have. Our path to the Cup is so badly disjointed now that there's no hope. Draisaitl contract up in two years. McDavid up in three.

You're a fool if you think both of us these guys are signing for a reasonable figure, or at all. Mismanaged their entire careers. I won't blame them one iota when they leave. Question is will I leave with them?

We need to keep thowing darts in the dark at defencemen for the next few years to pray we land someone impactful, and by then McDrai is gone or out of their prime. How many people here have realized the writing is already on the wall? If we don't go out and trade for an Erik Karlsson type, sell the farm for a true top pairing guy, among a litany of other needs, our window is closed?

 

[Soundwave]

Shame I can't like posts.

Yep, how does it feel for the plethora of fans on this board who thought ONE of Nurse/Bouchard/Broberg was going to end up becoming something worthwhile? It's obvious none of them will ever be that top pairing guy. Not even a #2. How does that feel?

Our drafting is an utter debacle. We still haven't drafted, and don't have in the system, anyone who projects to be a top pairing guy. Not even close. LOL. We're quickly falling into the mold of teams we always attacked who were too good to end up drafting in the top 3, but too bad to ever come close to winning a Cup. Stuck in mediocrity with aging stars and lacks of depth.

That is us now. We aren't going to get any more lotto picks in the McDrai era, and we aren't going to come close to winning a Cup with the group we have. Our path to the Cup is so badly disjointed now that there's no hope. Draisaitl contract up in two years. McDavid up in three.

You're a fool if you think both of us these guys are signing for a reasonable figure, or at all. Mismanaged their entire careers. I won't blame them one iota when they leave. Question is will I leave with them?

We need to keep thowing darts in the dark at defencemen for the next few years to pray we land someone impactful, and by then McDrai is gone or out of their prime. How many people here have realized the writing is already on the wall? If we don't go out and trade for an Erik Karlsson type, sell the farm for a true top pairing guy, among a litany of other needs, our window is closed?

Spending three top 10 picks on D and coming out of it with no one who can really play no.1 minutes effectively (sorry but Nurse clearly cannot, dude is easily rattled and too stupid of a player to be able to settle his d-corps down because he's prone to making 5 alarm mistakes himself) ... was a killer for the Oilers.

I mean really they haven't drafted anyone good in the 1st round for 7 years running now (since the McDavid pick), but spending THREE top 10 picks on D, you have to assume you're getting at least 1 guy who can be a no.1 D without a ton of questions, and the Oilers don't even have that to show for their drafting.

Horrendous drafting, just horrendous. People give Lowe shit, but Petry in the 2nd round of 2006 is about as good as Nurse if we're being f***ing honest, Nurse is not any better of a player he just has his numbers inflated by being attached to McDavid/Draisaitl all the time.

 

[Lacaar]

.886. How many games has he posted a .900 or above this season, which really is the minimum standard of playing decently?

I can think of one or two.

The guy is a joke, sorry.

I think the bar for Campbell has been lowered... a lot.

He didn't cost them the game by any means. Didn't win it for them either and was the second best goalie on the ice. At best it was meh. And that's kind of the crux with the team.

4 guys gave a good game.
12 guys have a meh game.
4 guys struggle.

the 4 guys with a good game usually rotates around 5,6 players.

the 4 guys that struggle is turn based with the other 12-16 players that occasionally have a good game once every 20.

They're not a good team. They're not a bad team. They're a weak team with a great player. Same as its ever been.

When the other 12-16 get their heads out of their asses and figure out how to play... we may have a chance.
Can only hope they repeat end of January on again. As they're repeating December so far.. as feared.

 

[duul]

Spending three top 10 picks on D and coming out of it with no one who can really play no.1 minutes effectively (sorry but Nurse clearly cannot, dude is easily rattled and too stupid of a player to be able to settle his d-corps down because he's prone to making 5 alarm mistakes himself) ... was a killer for the Oilers.

I mean really they haven't drafted anyone good in the 1st round for 7 years running now (since the McDavid pick), but spending THREE top 10 picks on D, you have to assume you're getting at least 1 guy who can be a no.1 D without a ton of questions, and the Oilers don't even have that to show for their drafting.

Horrendous drafting, just horrendous. People give Lowe shit, but Petry in the 2nd round of 2006 is about as good as Nurse if we're being f***ing honest, Nurse is not any better of a player he just has his numbers inflated by being attached to McDavid/Draisaitl all the time.

Petry is definitely a far more reliable player that you'd prefer to have in the dying minutes of a game or attempting to (neither of them are ideal) shut down the opposition's top guys.

So where do we go from here? The team is never going to win anything. Are we content with mediocrity, or do you blow up your prospect pool and draft picks to make an actual attempt at winning something?

I'm of the opinion that sitting here status quo is the worst option. Fading the McDrai era away into nothingness, quietly. Ken Holland is clearly not the guy. Woodcroft is clearly not the guy.

 

[The Hound]

 

[Soundwave]

Petry is definitely a far more reliable player that you'd prefer to have in the dying minutes of a game or attempting to (neither of them are ideal) shut down the opposition's top guys.

So where do we go from here? The team is never going to win anything. Are we content with mediocrity, or do you blow up your prospect pool and draft picks to make an actual attempt at winning something?

I'm of the opinion that sitting here status quo is the worst option. Fading the McDrai era away into nothingness, quietly. Ken Holland is clearly not the guy. Woodcroft is clearly not the guy.

I mean the question kind of answers itself.

The Oilers prospect pool is shit and they're not going to draft anyone good in 2023, 2024, etc. because they suck at drafting. If they could not get it right with the Puljujarvi, Bouchard (over Dobson), Broberg (over Zegras, Caufield, Boldy), what reason is there to assume they will get it right any time in the future? They suck at drafting and development plain and simple.

For people who like to jerk off to draft pick potential, don't worry. If the Oilers blow the next few years with McDavid/Drai, don't worry, you can go back to drafting in the top 10 for the next 50 years and go back to being a nothing franchise, ok. No one will care if you miss out on a few drafts in the meantime.

 

[T-Funk]

I bet C4mpbell would play better with a new, actually good nickname.

 

[Cloned]

ARe the new rules bottom 5 teams can only win 1st OA?


we will get bent over but we have to do it. This defence is terrible. Where have u heard that before?

Not sure actually. I never thought I’d have to look at the lottery rules again for at least a few more years lol.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I bet C4mpbell would play better with a new, actually good nickname.

I have one for him but it would result in an infraction.

 

[SaltNPeca]

Although it's painful let's not get too depressed fellas. Experiencing the lowest lows (loosing to ANA & NSH) will only make the highs that much sweeter.

We're in rough shape with Campbell, but give Leon an off game or 2 please.

Our status as a contender may be fraudulent, but we've always got Connor! Also #keepnugeforever

 

[K1984]

I think the bar for Campbell has been lowered... a lot.

He didn't cost them the game by any means. Didn't win it for them either and was the second best goalie on the ice. At best it was meh. And that's kind of the crux with the team.

100% this.

Bare average goalies make the saves he made down the stretch AND at least one of the three goals he allowed in regulation never mind the OT goal. "But he made some good saves down the stretch!" is praise saved only for goalies with the lowest possible expectations.

He didn't blow up the game in regulation - great. Still wasn't a good game.

 

[Proko88]

Darnell’s dad was disgusted. He is waiting in the car for Darnell.

All us hockey dad’s can relate lol

 

[Oilers]

honestly, let's just do the one thing we're all thinking.

BRING BACK Nail Yakupov and stick him with McDavid for a 50 goal season. Might as well keep this gongshow moving.

 

[frag2]

I almost wish that turnover by Draisaitl in the third where he tried to carry through two forechecks resulted in a GA. Wake the f*** up!

Spends entire game not skating. When he decides to skate, he'll try to deke through 2 guys.

This has nothing to do with 'fatigue'. Its just him being stupid

At some point we have to stop calling this type of stupidity a "mistake" and start calling it what it is - lazy selfishness. Leon knows better than to do that, but he can't help himself. This team won't go anywhere until players like Drisaitl and even McDavid start leading the way and stop making these plays that they themselves likely know are stupid.

Nurse - f***ing Nurse. Plays an ok game by his standard (still poor, but not THAT bad) then decides to try and lace a cute little backhand touch pass straight through the defensive slot to nobody that nearly resulted in several goals against in the dying minute.

We can all sit here an blame the depth, blame the coaching, blame the goalie, etc and more than often we would be valid in those criticisms. However, now we are sitting here in about our 5th December in a row where McDavid and Drai choose to take the month off defensively and become our biggest on ice liability up front. Its completely unacceptable for the players that are supposed to be the example playing this style of laissez-faire bullshit hockey. It's been their line that has been getting constantly scored on and caved lately by a wide range of competition quality, not anyone else.

The coach 100% deserves some blame for not splitting them up when it has been painfully obvious for two weeks that they are starting to devolve into their lazy bullshit game when they play with each other too long, but how the hell are they not talking to each other and saying "jesus we have to clean up our own end?"

Bingo. Ill give McD this. He at least skates. Seems like the last month or so, all Drai does is wait for Hyman to retrieve the puck for him or McD to pass while he sets up shop. Then when he gets the puck, just overhandles tf out of it. Rishaug and Struds were ripping the team. The players just can't help themselves and overcomplicate the simple things

 

[Stoneman89]

100% this.

Bare average goalies make the saves he made down the stretch AND at least one of the three goals he allowed in regulation never mind the OT goal. "But he made some good saves down the stretch!" is praise saved only for goalies with the lowest possible expectations.

He didn't blow up the game in regulation - great. Still wasn't a good game.

Saros completely blew the first goal by Poolparty in the first, but no one says anything about that one. He had far less grade A chances, that Oilers D gives out regularly like candy. Nurse and Ceci may be the worst top pairing in the NHL.

Spends entire game not skating. When he decides to skate, he'll try to deke through 2 guys.

This has nothing to do with 'fatigue'. Its just him being stupid



Bingo. Ill give McD this. He at least skates. Seems like the last month or so, all Drai does is wait for Hyman to retrieve the puck for him or McD to pass while he sets up shop. Then when he gets the puck, just overhandles tf out of it. Rishaug and Struds were ripping the team. The players just can't help themselves and overcomplicate the simple things

I love Hyman to death and his work ethic is 2nd to none, but it seems like his only play is driving to the net all by himself, every single time. He might want to look up and see if he can spot 2 of the more creative players in the league some times. At this point, no one is immune to some constructive criticism.

 

[Oilhawks]

ouch

WHo is Jason King?

Had to look it up, apparently one of the assistants. So probably because their special teams are ass

 

[Oilhawks]

Saros completely blew the first goal by Poolparty in the first, but no one says anything about that one. He had far less grade A chances, that Oilers D gives out regularly like candy. Nurse and Ceci may be the worst top pairing in the

I love Hyman to death and his work ethic is 2nd to none, but it seems like his only play is driving to the net all by himself, every single time. He might want to look up and see if he can spot 2 of the more creative players in the league some times. At this point, no one is immune to some constructive criticism.

Yup, the whole top line is playing arrogant, stupid hockey and trying to force plays. Why the coach refuses to split up the top line is just insane. Do the inmates run the asylum?

 

[Soundwave]

Yup, the whole top line is playing arrogant, stupid hockey and trying to force plays. Why the coach refuses to split up the top line is just insane. Do the inmates run the asylum?

Because the team was struggling to score more than 2 goals a game in the games post-Kane injury where Woodcroft did try to play Puljujarvi with McDavid for example.

Or did people just forget that happened? We went on a bit of a winning streak once the McDrai + Hyman line was reunited and then Nurse f***ed that mojo up by throwing away the Blues game.

Every time our D shits the bed like that and gifts away a game (same with the Jersey game earlier in the year) just as we're on the cusp of building a nice cushion above .500, the team then spirals down the toilet the next few games and feels sorry for itself.

The collapses to Jersey and St. Louis in the 3rd really are hurting our season badly, not only did we piss away 3/4 points in those games specifically, but those losses probably also caused another 4 points in losses just from the shell shock of it.

Those two third periods in a f***ed up way probably have cost us like 7-8 points.

 

[Drivesaitl]

ouch

WHo is Jason King?

I didn't know either. Imagine going through life with a name so generic that nobody even knows who you are. Teacher calls Jason in class and 10kids come up to the desk...pick a different name.

OK I'm exaggerating but in the US if you gathered up all the people named Jason in one place it would be a City of 1M. Then if you included all the new age spellings like Jasen and Jayson and shit it would be much more.

Sometime in the 70's close to 4% of all male babies were named Jason. lol

random rant. I need a snicker fast..

 

[frag2]

Saros completely blew the first goal by Poolparty in the first, but no one says anything about that one. He had far less grade A chances, that Oilers D gives out regularly like candy. Nurse and Ceci may be the worst top pairing in the NHL.


I love Hyman to death and his work ethic is 2nd to none, but it seems like his only play is driving to the net all by himself, every single time. He might want to look up and see if he can spot 2 of the more creative players in the league some times. At this point, no one is immune to some constructive criticism.

Oh definitely. Ive said in the past that he plays like he has tunnel vision. That said, he's at least forechecking