Post-Game Talk: We Lost, but that's okay We'll Win Tomorrow!
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Giuseppe Sallo
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Guys, it was the long lay-off that hurt us, we barely beat the Devils that night but I think we just need momentum... 4 goals in 5 games. Ouch! Frustrating as hell but will break through it.
Giuseppe Sallo
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The Reaper
Men of Mayhem
20 games in and we haven't broken through yet
Heck, Wilson's Leafs played better these clowns
Okay but your argument is just as bad because we won both games after Bozak went down and before Bolland went down? Now we don't have Kadri either, so again if my argument is bad yours lacks it's own merit.
Anyways, I agree Bozak improves the line up BUT I also think the line up is better with kadri on 1 and Bozak or Bolland on 2.
For what purpose? There's no reason for the Leafs to go head hunting after Scott. During the Kessel incident, Scott got a few whacks by Kessel, he got jumped by Ashton and Brennan, he had Clarkson jump over the bench and earn a 10 game suspension just to get up in his face. Leafs responded more than enough in that preseason game. There's no reason to carry that over into a regular season game if it doesn't provide any benefit for the Leafs.
The Leafs are relying on a lot of AHL call-ups and a lot of guys playing in roles above their comfort level. Even if Orr and McLaren are our worst players, they are still better and more useful players than Scott. With an already depleted roster that is leaning on a lot of AHL players, 0 top 6 Cs and our best wingers are playing with no centre, any player sitting in the box for 10 minutes means that an already depleted roster has to pick up the slack. If you're going to sit in the box for that long, then you better damn well have a good reason for it.
When we're icing a relatively healthy roster with at least our top 6 all playing together, then have at it.
Chandrashekhar Limit
From the runaway slave to a modern day king.
Franson has stunk up the joint for the longest ****ing time possible. This guy has been trash ever since the first 5 games.
Woot, losing to a team that had something to prove to their new management, while down our top 3 centers = Our coach (who finally led us to the playoffs last year) suck!, our team (while they aren't in their best shape) suck too!. Anyone want to ask if Cliff Fletcher wants to come back for round 3?
Don't let context be a stranger to you.
Does missing Kessel for 12 games have the same impact as missing Kulemin for 12 games?
How many of those teams are missing their top 3Cs? If you don't think missing 2 (now 3) of your top Cs doesn't play a factor into things, then we clearly understand hockey differently.
The majority of the Leafs were non-existent. Trevor Smith had a great game for us and was probably our best player...and that says a lot.
You could tell Clarkson wanted it and it reflected in his play. Where was Lupul?
You could tell Clarkson wanted it and it reflected in his play. Where was Lupul?
The Blue Devil
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We were a pretty dysfunctional team ever since JFJ ran the club. Burke ****ed up, because he couldn't acquire decent goaltending. If we had that, we would've been contending.
Dion @ ~$7 million and Kessel at $8 million isn manageable. We have our goal tandem in place, and our defensive core has actually been pretty effective. The problem with our back end is that it cannot generate good scoring chances anymore. We should - like most good teams - let our puck movers play.
Gardiner - Phaneuf
Rielly - Gunnarsson
That is a very respectable D-core. I see a lot of upside in Franson, but he is not required. On the other hand, those two young defenceman can be had for cheap. If Ranger ( who is playing well) can become our #3, we're going to see him eventually displacing Gunnarsson.
Having said that, our forward core isn't good enough. It is getting obvious that the way to shutdown Kessel is by limiting his room. He is an elite perimeter forward and should be surrounded by PWFs. Regardless, we're not that far from completing our core IMO.
Yeah, he's been struggling a lot. I don't even have any possible explanation for it. People like to make Ranger the scapegoat because they focus on his mistakes (even though his mistakes don't usually cost the team) but I think Franson is the guy that should take a seat. I think Ranger has showed progression while Franson beyond his first few games has been stuck in bad to mediocre. And Franson is the only guy that has the luxury of always playing on his correct side because he's the only RHD we have so unlike Gardiner, comfortability isn't an excuse.
Franson is getting points on the board but he looks so much more different this year. He was never a defensive stalwart but his offensive game doesn't look nearly as good.
Daisy Jane
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hush!
the logic you speak, it makes too much sense!
Basically the only line that was unaffected by any change was the JVR-Bozak-Kessel line, because at that time there were no injuries. Bolland's (if i recall correctly, he was with Raymond for the most part) were also mostly together, and Kadri & Lupul were together [the "pairings" as Carlyle likes to deploy].
we've had a revolving door of new people since training camp. We've not had a healthy roster since training camp. Heck we didn't even have a healthy roster IN training camp with McLaren out. and everyone was all like we're outscoring our problems - I didn't see it per-se outscoring the problems, but we had relative BALANCE. we did not have McClement leading rushes, and hoping Colton Orr could finish off the pass.
everyone keeps going "oh durr,guh we've sucked since Vancouver, offensively." yeah - because who were we missing since Vancouver? Bozak and Bolland.
but apparently the story today is
the Leafs Suck, news at eleven.
What happened to kulimen? He used to grind, hit and hustle. Now he couldn't break an egg on the forecheck. He almost looks disinterested. Did I miss him getting hit hard or something? Looks scared and shell shocked.
It's the earliest he can return but his return will depend on how he's progressing with his injury. The good thing is that with 5 straight home games, he can practice with the team if his body is ready for it.
Can't really expect much from this team with our top 3 centres out. Rielly scratched to play McLaren who did absolutely nothing, and Franson has been terrible. Hoping for a win tomorrow night, but not expecting one.
It's simple Carlyle needs to dress his best players and sit the weak ones- Mclaren and Orr both in the lineup is absurd, so is JVR at centre. If it were me I'd do this
JVR-Mcclement-Kessel
Kulemin-Gardiner-Clarkson
Lupul-Smith-Raymond
Orr-Smithson-Bodie
Phaneuf-Gunnar
Franson-Rielly
Fraser-Ranger
Riemer
I haven't been to these boards in a while but do people always overreact this much after a loss?
It was a close game considering the Leafs were missing their top three centers and Buffalo were playing hard as they were rejuvenated with a new coach and management. Plus the Sabres have Miller. It Would've gone to OT if JVR beat Ehrhoff.
Bernier had a great game again and T.Smith had his best game as a Leaf and showed he's capable of playing NHL minutes.
It was a close game considering the Leafs were missing their top three centers and Buffalo were playing hard as they were rejuvenated with a new coach and management. Plus the Sabres have Miller. It Would've gone to OT if JVR beat Ehrhoff.
Bernier had a great game again and T.Smith had his best game as a Leaf and showed he's capable of playing NHL minutes.
