WCSF: Vegas Defeats San Jose 4 Games to 2 and Advance to the Western Conference Finals

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At least the title of this topic seems to be spot on. Post talk.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

Only difference between a post and "missed" shot is the sound the puck makes at the end of its trajectory.

Posts are not 50/50 and although they do make you go "ooooooo", they had no more likelihood to go in than a shot that hit the glass behind the goalie.

It isnt physics, either, its geometry. Tangents, specifically, when talking about the posts and crossbar. I would draw a diagram as it is too hard to explain (for me), but bottom line, shooting far-side corner and hitting the post gives larger "room for error" to still go in than shooting short-side and hitting the post.

They aren't 50/50, but they aren't 0/100 like missed shots. I'm not sure what the percentage of shots is that hit the post and go in is, but even if it is 10 percent, that is much more significant than missing the net entirely.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Lost in your attempt to be a smart guy is the fact post shots can be shots on goal because they can enter the net. Shots that miss the goal completely have zero chance, so trying to equate the two is an exercise in futility.

But you do you, bud.

Not if the official scorer does his job properly...

Attempt to be a smart guy ? "Mirror, mirror on the wall..."

 

[Hank Plank]

Lost in your attempt to be a smart guy is the fact post shots can be shots on goal because they can enter the net. Shots that miss the goal completely have zero chance, so trying to equate the two is an exercise in futility.

But you do you, bud.

A shot can miss the net bounce off the boards hit the goalie and go in. Zero chance?

 

[winnipegger]

Post and out just tells you that you missed the net by a really small margin. You missed the net though.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

What is so hard to understand? Shots that hit the post, like Nate Schmidt's did, can go in the net, and it happens quite frequently.

There are less than a handful of times the puck has hit the boards and went in off the goalie.

They probably of one being a goal is much higher than the other.

Equating the two as equal scoring chances is factually incorrect.

 

[Kcoyote3]

Sharks made the playoffs and beat the Ducks in 4 without Thornton. Pretty excited for the future.

 

[gorangers0525]

What is so hard to understand? Shots that hit the post, like Nate Schmidt's did, can go in the net, and it happens quite frequently.

There are less than a handful of times the puck has hit the boards and went in off the goalie.

They probably of one being a goal is much higher than the other.

Equating the two as equal scoring chances is factually incorrect.

A shot that goes in, a shot that hits the post, a shot that’s saved and a shot that misses the net, from the same location/situation, are the same scoring chance. Its up to the shooter to turn that scoring chance into a goal.

If a dude flips the puck in from the red line, and it hits the post, it is not a better scoring chance than a one timer from the slot that misses the net.

 

[Quid Pro Clowe]

A shot that goes in, a shot that hits the post, a shot that’s saved and a shot that misses the net, from the same location/situation, are the same scoring chance. Its up to the shooter to turn that scoring chance into a goal.

If a dude flips the puck in from the red line, and it hits the post, it is not a better scoring chance than a one timer from the slot that misses the net.

But a scoring chance doesn't necessarily mean the puck ever had a chance of going in. A puck off the post at least has a chance.

 

[c9777666]

2 turning points in the series:

1. San Jose missing some point blanks chances in game 3 (Fleury's great save, another missed opportuntity before Karlsson's OT snipe)

2. Not getting the tying goal in game 5- as we saw in EDM/ANA game 5 last year/BOS vs TOR 2013 game 7, there is something to momentum carrying over when you make a great unexpected comeback.

The flipside is that we've seen teams pull off almost comebacks and sometimes close but no cigar/moral victories don't carry over momentum.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Sharks made the playoffs and beat the Ducks in 4 without Thornton. Pretty excited for the future.

Agree! Sharks look like they can contend. This is a selling point for free agents. Imagine Tavares signing in SJ!

 

[sabresfan65]

Agree! Sharks look like they can contend. This is a selling point for free agents. Imagine Tavares signing in SJ!

Sorry, to busy imagining him signing in Vegas or Buffalo! LOL

 

[hangman005]

We all know Tavares is going to sit down at the table to sign with Toronto yell April Fools and run off to join the Canadian Curling Team.

 

[ChanceVegas]

Agree! Sharks look like they can contend. This is a selling point for free agents. Imagine Tavares signing in SJ!

The tax situation between Vegas and Florida and Texas vs California may be a consideration in the future. Or not.

 

[Pirate Deadpool]

LOL

 

[Herschel]

The tax situation between Vegas and Florida and Texas vs California may be a consideration in the future. Or not.

The tax situation is gross overrate in this day and age. My understanding is that almost all of the states require players to pay the in-state tax rate for games played. over simplification.... So a Tamp Bay player still pays California taxes for all games played in California, this means that having a favorable tax situation is good for your 41 homes game plus bonuses. It is really on the bonuses where it can make a noticeable difference.

It also likely factors more with mid to lower end paid players. When you are talking about the money Tavares is going to get the take home amount isn't likely going to be a huge factor.

 

[ChanceVegas]

The tax situation is gross overrate in this day and age. My understanding is that almost all of the states require players to pay the in-state tax rate for games played. over simplification.... So a Tamp Bay player still pays California taxes for all games played in California, this means that having a favorable tax situation is good for your 41 homes game plus bonuses. It is really on the bonuses where it can make a noticeable difference.

It also likely factors more with mid to lower end paid players. When you are talking about the money Tavares is going to get the take home amount isn't likely going to be a huge factor.

It may not be a big factor, but it is a factor. As are things like cost of living, which all can add up. It may not be a big sticking point in a highly paid player's decision, but if all things are equal, it could be a factor that moves the needle.