jekoh
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Wait, how exactly can you speak for the EU any more than he does?Northern countries? In the EU, Latvia is considered an Eastern European nation.
Wait, how exactly can you speak for the EU any more than he does?Northern countries? In the EU, Latvia is considered an Eastern European nation.
The Baltic states are part of Northern Europe. The only reason they are ever classified as Eastern is confusion based upon the Soviet occupation and a compulsion to put them in that category as a result. Doing away with North/South Europe altogether, the Baltics are considered Western European.
They're not any further east than Finland, while being further north than Denmark (at least Latvia and Estonia are).Latvia, Liettua, Viro are eastern european countries.. How you classify them as northern europe i dont understand..
Northern countries? In the EU, Latvia is considered an Eastern European nation.
And the population stats has nothing to do with good performance in international hockey. Otherwise India and China would always meet in the finals.
All you need is 18 strong skaters, a bloody good goalie and a genius coach.
They're not any further east than Finland, while being further north than Denmark (at least Latvia and Estonia are).
Northern Europe, Eastern Europe, Central Europe etc. are all very ill-defined.
You asked how they can be classified as Northern Europe. That's how.Yes, and they are still eastern european countries?
Nonsense, I am based in Western Europe and the media here officially calls all Baltic states, Poland and other ex Eastern bloc nations 'Eastern Europeans' and there is nothing wrong with it.
You asked how they can be classified as Northern Europe. That's how.
There is no one official definition of what is or is not Northern or Eastern or Western Europe, nor are these regions mutually exclusive.
Well I'm sorry, but this is wrong. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and several other countries are all factually, historically, geographically considered "central European" states i.e. "Central Europe".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
And before you or anyone else says "big deal, it's a wikipedia link" and continue to call it "nonsense"... Well, that is just ignorant. There are 10's, 100's more links of information/confirmation as to what constitutes central European tagging, and the historical, geographical boundaries of Central Europe.
Anyone with a decent education will know and tell you this.
Latvia, Liettua, Viro are eastern european countries.. How you classify them as northern europe i dont understand..
It's a combination of population + participation that matters. The former is what puts Canada ahead of Sweden and Finland, while the latter prevents Russia and the US from dominating everyone.
Exactly. The thing is the participation, infrastructure etc can usually be increased (maybe not in Canada, it's pretty much as high as it can go) but population is a huge limiting factor, especially such a small country like Latvia. Latvia can get better, can maybe crack into the 2nd tier, but it will be tough as hell.
To give you an idea, if you combine Manitoba and Saskatchewan you have about the same population number as Latvia, but with a fully saturated hockey market. Here is a potential roster.
Marleau - Getzlaf - Eberle
Zajac - Toews - Sharp
Kunitz - Helm - Hartnell
Morrow - B. Schenn - Glencross
Stoll/Tootoo/Laich/Moen
Cowen - Keith
Hamonic - White
Falk - Schultz
L. Schenn/Sarich
Ward
Holtby
Reimer
IDK, that roster was better than I expected, but still think they would struggle alot against Sweden and Russia, maybe on the level with Finland/USA.
not just sometimes but pretty often
That's because it's a one game elimination thing. Anything can happen. If this was a 7 game series, I bet you'd see different results... like it's in the NHL.
I wouldn't rate Sweden or Russia above the US (if we're talking about best-on-best)
It's nice that you wouldn't, but everyone else who knows hockey would. What is this based on? Vancouver 2010 when they beat Swiss, Norway, and Canada in the prelims only to lose the gold medal game? That's what makes them better then Russia and Sweden? How about in 2006 when they lost to Russia, Sweden, Slovakia and tied Latvia? Or how about that the IIHF ranks the US in 7th place in the world?
Well I'm sorry, but this is wrong. Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary and several other countries are all factually, historically, geographically considered "central European" states i.e. "Central Europe".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Europe
And before you or anyone else says "big deal, it's a wikipedia link" and continue to call it "nonsense"... Well, that is just ignorant. There are 10's, 100's more links of information/confirmation as to what constitutes central European tagging, and the historical, geographical boundaries of Central Europe.
Anyone with a decent education will know and tell you this.
It's nice that you wouldn't, but everyone else who knows hockey would. What is this based on? Vancouver 2010 when they beat Swiss, Norway, and Canada in the prelims only to lose the gold medal game? That's what makes them better then Russia and Sweden? How about in 2006 when they lost to Russia, Sweden, Slovakia and tied Latvia? Or how about that the IIHF ranks the US in 7th place in the world?
I have been to the Czech Republic. The person that I asked there about this said that they were European. I guess Central European is what she meant.
Back in WWI, the Central Powers were Germany, Austria-Hungary, (which included parts of about 12 modern day countries like Slovakia, Croatia and the Czech Republic) Bulgaria and the Ottoman Empire (Turkey).
Eastern European implies Iron Curtain Communism to many people. Since countries like Poland and Hungary are free, I am sure that they would prefer to be Central European, just like the Baltic states would prefer to be Northern European.
Some of the best NHL players were not at the WCs. I think the Olympics gives a better picture of relative strength of a countries hockey playing ability.
It's nice that you wouldn't, but everyone else who knows hockey would. What is this based on? Vancouver 2010 when they beat Swiss, Norway, and Canada in the prelims only to lose the gold medal game? That's what makes them better then Russia and Sweden? How about in 2006 when they lost to Russia, Sweden, Slovakia and tied Latvia? Or how about that the IIHF ranks the US in 7th place in the world?
Surely you realize Latvia is also geographically in the Northern part of the European Union.They are Europeans (because their countries are situated in Europe) but are also called Eastern Europeans since geographically they are in the Eastern part of the European Union.