Waiver fodder, fighting for a spot or guaranteed a spot

[ChilliBilly]

So we are going to have a log jam of 2nd 3rd 4th line tweeners fighting for spots next year.

Sedins, Horvat, Eriksson, Sutter, Baertschi, Granlund, and probably Goldobin and Boeser are guaranteed spots.

That leaves Skille (UFA), Shore, Rodin, Megna (UFA), LaBate, Gaunce, Dorsett, Cramarossa, Chaput and Boucher fighting for 3 spots. And I guess one in the press box. I see a problem.

Also have Virtanen to consider.

We have 3 or 4 more in the AHL as well that will want a spot. Zach MacEwen, Grenier, Zalewski and Cassels to name a few.

I think the D is probably in better shape and much less battling going on.

So would be interested to hear where "fans" think which category these players fall under.

(Oh and hopefully we have to make a tough decision on Patrick as well )

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[timw33]

It depends on who is coaching this team IMO.

 

[Canucks LB]

I just realized that vegas might take boucher

 

[MS]

So we are going to have a log jam of 2nd 3rd 4th line tweeners fighting for spots next year.

Sedins, Horvat, Eriksson, Sutter, Baertschi, Granlund, and probably Goldobin and Boeser are guaranteed spots.

That leaves Skille (UFA), Shore, Rodin, Megna (UFA), LaBate, Gaunce, Dorsett, Cramarossa, Chaput and Boucher fighting for 3 spots. And I guess one in the press box. I see a problem.

Also have Virtanen to consider.

We have 3 or 4 more in the AHL as well that will want a spot. Zach MacEwen, Grenier, Zalewski and Cassels to name a few.

I think the D is probably in better shape and much less battling going on.

So would be interested to hear where "fans" think which category these players fall under.

(Oh and hopefully we have to make a tough decision on Patrick as well )

Gaunce and Chaput both belong on next year's roster. Quality cheap bottom-6 defensive forwards. And I think Gaunce will break out offensively/when if given more icetime.

Skille ... bye. He was a decent place-filler this year I guess, but I don't see a huge point to keeping a guy like this around who's 30 now.

Shore I'd bring back on a two-way deal with a high Utica salary. Very boring player but a guy who can be a useful callup/13th forward.

Rodin I'd offer a contract to. Looked like a player in the preseason and even during his couple games here. Looked better than Goldobin on one leg. Obviously his injury is a concern but it would be stupid to just throw him away.

Labate is an AHLer who can be brought back as AHL system depth. Simply not an NHL regular.

Megna - go away. Maybe worth having back on a two-way deal for Utica.

Cramarossa has done nothing here. He was worth a look when we had zero depth, but really has done nothing to earn a spot. I'm not fussed either way about giving him a QO.

Dorsett sucks and it would be great if he was gone, but you know he'll be on the roster playing regularly and 'mentoring' next year. Ugh.

Boucher ... I dunno. To me he's just a space-filling skill player who lacks the complete game to ever be an NHL regular on a decent team. It's nice to see him popping goals here lately, but on a team that's trying to develop a similar-style (but hopefully better) sniping winger in Boeser, I really don't see the room for both guys. Plus Granlund, who is also a very similar-style player.

Also I'd say Goldobin is anything but a lock. I guess they'll try and force him on the roster to make that trade look good, but I'm not sold he'll last a terribly long time.

 

[VanJack]

The other 'shoe to drop" in terms of the lineup is who comes via the trade route....Almost certain that Jimbo will deal one of his d-men for help up front....Edler or Tanev the most likely....would be a mistake to deal Hutton imo.

And they're not about to trade a top-four d-man unless the guy coming back can step into the lineup right away....and could even be more than one forward in any deal.

 

[LeftCoast]

The other 'shoe to drop" in terms of the lineup is who comes via the trade route....Almost certain that Jimbo will deal one of his d-men for help up front....Edler or Tanev the most likely....would be a mistake to deal Hutton imo.

And they're not about to trade a top-four d-man unless the guy coming back can step into the lineup right away....and could even be more than one forward in any deal.

There is a good chance Sbisa is taken in the expansion draft, so they probably won't deal a D at this point.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Still think theres a greater than 50% chance Kane is on the team next season.

No not Patrick.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

Honestly doubt they trade Edler.

Bob Mckenzie reported that management wanted to keep him before the TDL. Not to mention Edler himself has been pretty outspoken about not wanting to waive his NTC.

They shouldn't trade Tanev barring an overpayment, and I certainly wouldn't want Benning to orchestrate the move if they did.

But it wouldn't shock me.

 

[y2kcanucks]

I would look to dump Sutter, Sbisa, and Gudbranson.

Granlund can stay for another year because he's cheap.

I'd be interested in lines that look kind of like this:

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
Goldobin-Gaunce-Boucher
Granlund-NewC-NewRW

 

[Canucks LB]

I would look to dump Sutter, Sbisa, and Gudbranson.

Granlund can stay for another year because he's cheap.

I'd be interested in lines that look kind of like this:

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
Goldobin-Gaunce-Boucher
Granlund-NewC-NewRW

Decent, but I would go like this.

Baertschi Horvat Eriksson
Sedin Sedin Boeser
Goldy FA Boucher
Granlund Gaunce Dorsett

PP #1 - Bear - Horvat - Boeser
Stecher / Hutton

PP #2 - Sedin Sedin Eriksson
Trammer - FA

 

[Tim Calhoun]

This team badly needs some quality two-way forwards. The fact that in two years we've lost Burrows/Hansen/Higgins/Bonino/Richardson/Matthias and replaced them with complete garbage is one of the biggest reasons we have plummeted into one of the worst teams in the league.

 

[FOurteenS inCisOr]

This team badly needs some quality two-way forwards. The fact that in two years we've lost Burrows/Hansen/Higgins/Bonino/Richardson/Matthias and replaced them with complete garbage is one of the biggest reasons we have plummeted into one of the worst teams in the league.

They were one of the worst in the league before they even lost those guys.

 

[me2]

Still think theres a greater than 50% chance Kane is on the team next season.

No not Patrick.

Tanev for Kane definitely is a possibility.

Sedin sedin Granlund
Baertschi Horvat Boeser
Kane suffer Eriksson

 

[David Bruce Banner]

Do people here really think Boeser's a lock to make the team next year?

I figure he's got at least half a season in Utica to look forward to. He definitely needs to work on his skating. He probably needs some time in playing against pros. And there's the off chance his wrist needs further work done.

Forward locks (provided they're still with the team)... Sedins, Bo, Bae, Sutter, Eriksson and Granlund.

D locks (provided they're still with the team)... Tanev, Edler, Stretch, Trammer, Hutton and Sbisa

Everyone else is battling for position.

 

[Oliewud]

we need to trade hutton + gudbranson and move up to get villardi. its villardi or bust for me....Expose sutter to vegas

baertschi horvat boeser
goldobin villardi eriksson
sedin sedin boucher
granlund gaunce skille

edler stetcher
tryamkin tanev
juolevi xxx

 

[m9]

Baertschi-Horvat-Eriksson
Sedin-Sedin-Boeser
Granlund-Sutter-Goldobin
Gaunce-Chaput-Virtanen
Boucher

 

[ChilliBilly]

Gaunce and Chaput both belong on next year's roster. Quality cheap bottom-6 defensive forwards. And I think Gaunce will break out offensively/when if given more icetime.

Skille ... bye. He was a decent place-filler this year I guess, but I don't see a huge point to keeping a guy like this around who's 30 now.

Shore I'd bring back on a two-way deal with a high Utica salary. Very boring player but a guy who can be a useful callup/13th forward.

Rodin I'd offer a contract to. Looked like a player in the preseason and even during his couple games here. Looked better than Goldobin on one leg. Obviously his injury is a concern but it would be stupid to just throw him away.

Labate is an AHLer who can be brought back as AHL system depth. Simply not an NHL regular.

Megna - go away. Maybe worth having back on a two-way deal for Utica.

Cramarossa has done nothing here. He was worth a look when we had zero depth, but really has done nothing to earn a spot. I'm not fussed either way about giving him a QO.

Dorsett sucks and it would be great if he was gone, but you know he'll be on the roster playing regularly and 'mentoring' next year. Ugh.

Boucher ... I dunno. To me he's just a space-filling skill player who lacks the complete game to ever be an NHL regular on a decent team. It's nice to see him popping goals here lately, but on a team that's trying to develop a similar-style (but hopefully better) sniping winger in Boeser, I really don't see the room for both guys. Plus Granlund, who is also a very similar-style player.

Also I'd say Goldobin is anything but a lock. I guess they'll try and force him on the roster to make that trade look good, but I'm not sold he'll last a terribly long time.

Thanks. The only person to respond to the purpose of the thread. It was not intended to be another "next years line up" thread, but rather what do you think will happen to the 7 - 8 excess bodies. You have to think that if the Canucks trade a D man to shore up the forwards ranks, they really need to throw in 1 - 2 forwards "want to be's" into the transaction to get a decent return. The last thing we need is another borderline waiver fodder forward that "hasa chance". We have 6 - 7 of those now.

 

[Hit the post]

Do people here really think Boeser's a lock to make the team next year?

Think it's his spot to lose.

The last thing we need is another borderline waiver fodder forward that "hasa chance". We have 6 - 7 of those now.

Nothing wrong to have 6-7 borderline waiver fodder NHL forwards as long as the majority of them are on the Comets.

Problem is....when the majority of them are on the parent club.

 

[Hammer79]

So we are going to have a log jam of 2nd 3rd 4th line tweeners fighting for spots next year.

Sedins, Horvat, Eriksson, Sutter, Baertschi, Granlund, and probably Goldobin and Boeser are guaranteed spots.

That leaves Skille (UFA), Shore, Rodin, Megna (UFA), LaBate, Gaunce, Dorsett, Cramarossa, Chaput and Boucher fighting for 3 spots. And I guess one in the press box. I see a problem.

Also have Virtanen to consider.

We have 3 or 4 more in the AHL as well that will want a spot. Zach MacEwen, Grenier, Zalewski and Cassels to name a few.

I think the D is probably in better shape and much less battling going on.

So would be interested to hear where "fans" think which category these players fall under.

(Oh and hopefully we have to make a tough decision on Patrick as well )

Skille will be looking for a 2 way or Europe contract next year.

Shore might get qualified.

Rodin will likely get qualified, but it's not looking good for his career on a whole right now.

Megna has been forced into duty when he otherwise ought to be playing in the AHL. I can't see him being penciled in for 2018.

LaBate will certainly get qualified, being 6'5" helps. He'll probably be in Utica if Dorsett is healthy though.

Gaunce is a defensive specialist, which is valuable enough to keep around. I think there's a chance that he gets claimed in ED over Sbisa.

Dorsett is sticking around unless he fails to recover from shoulder surgery.

Cramarossa is a warm body but he's also an RFA. They will probably try to sneak him down to Utica next year.

Chaput should be back in the AHL next year, again an RFA so he probably gets qualified.

Boucher might clear waivers at the beginning of the season, assuming he gets sent down at the right time when everyone else is doing the same with their marginal players.

Boeser might stick next year, it really depends on management. They felt they made a mistake keeping Virtanen and McCann up but Boeser is 20, not 18. He'll be waiver exempt and eligible for Utica, so he will need to impress to stay up.

Goldobin, I don't think they risk losing him on waivers. They need to make something of the Hansen trade. He stays as the 13th forward.

 

[Bad Goalie]

Skille will be looking for a 2 way or Europe contract next year.

Shore might get qualified.

Rodin will likely get qualified, but it's not looking good for his career on a whole right now.

Megna has been forced into duty when he otherwise ought to be playing in the AHL. I can't see him being penciled in for 2018.

LaBate will certainly get qualified, being 6'5" helps. He'll probably be in Utica if Dorsett is healthy though.

Gaunce is a defensive specialist, which is valuable enough to keep around. I think there's a chance that he gets claimed in ED over Sbisa.

Dorsett is sticking around unless he fails to recover from shoulder surgery.

Cramarossa is a warm body but he's also an RFA. They will probably try to sneak him down to Utica next year.

Chaput should be back in the AHL next year, again an RFA so he probably gets qualified.

Boucher might clear waivers at the beginning of the season, assuming he gets sent down at the right time when everyone else is doing the same with their marginal players.

Boeser might stick next year, it really depends on management. They felt they made a mistake keeping Virtanen and McCann up but Boeser is 20, not 18. He'll be waiver exempt and eligible for Utica, so he will need to impress to stay up.

Goldobin, I don't think they risk losing him on waivers. They need to make something of the Hansen trade. He stays as the 13th forward.

Goldobin was an entry level slide in his first 2 seasons and still as two more seasons on his ELC so doesn't that mean waivers are no issue?

 

[VanJack]

There is a good chance Sbisa is taken in the expansion draft, so they probably won't deal a D at this point.

I used to think the same thing, but now I'm not so sure....hefty contract...only reason Vegas acquires him is to try and deal him at the deadline....more likely if they're looking for a cheap d-man option from the Canucks, they go with Biega.

And I'm sure Vegas is currently scouting guys who might be exposed...if they've watched Sbisa lately they have to be underwhelmed....frankly, he's been terrible.

 

[GreatSaveLuongo]

Baertschi-Horvat-Boeser
Sedin-Sedin-Eriksson
Granlund-Sutter-x
Dorsett-Gaunce-random FA 4th liner


x: could be Goldobin/Rodin/Virtanen
13th guy will just be one of the rotational RW 3rd line guys.

 

[coolboarder]

Honestly doubt they trade Edler.

Bob Mckenzie reported that management wanted to keep him before the TDL. Not to mention Edler himself has been pretty outspoken about not wanting to waive his NTC.

They shouldn't trade Tanev barring an overpayment, and I certainly wouldn't want Benning to orchestrate the move if they did.

But it wouldn't shock me.

This is one of reason why I advocated exposing Edler for expansion draft to save one of our asset in youth, enticing Vegas to take him and even if they don't take him, we would have 4 defenseman saved from being taken. I do not see his value over a long run as he is in a decline. I think Edler is worth more to Vegas than the Canucks because Edler will then be more than willing to waive his NTC for a contender in a trade. We don't lose anyone else if Vegas ever decide to grab Edler. If the Canucks only expose Edler then we'd keep all 4 defenseman at the end of the day if they don't take him and it's still a win-win situation anyways. I have been posting like this since the discussion on this one over at CDC a few months ago. Edler has been bugging me for a long while and he is not that valuable to this team anymore if the Canucks want to take a next step. It's better to cut the cord than be stuck with his NTC contract and free up 4.5 million cap in near future with better asset to play with either, trading market or free agent market or an offer sheet to a team in tight with cap more valuable than a round of draft itself. The trick is which year is a bad drafting year.

 

[jeromemorrow]

Gaunce and Chaput both belong on next year's roster. Quality cheap bottom-6 defensive forwards. And I think Gaunce will break out offensively/when if given more icetime.

Skille ... bye. He was a decent place-filler this year I guess, but I don't see a huge point to keeping a guy like this around who's 30 now.

Shore I'd bring back on a two-way deal with a high Utica salary. Very boring player but a guy who can be a useful callup/13th forward.

Rodin I'd offer a contract to. Looked like a player in the preseason and even during his couple games here. Looked better than Goldobin on one leg. Obviously his injury is a concern but it would be stupid to just throw him away.

Labate is an AHLer who can be brought back as AHL system depth. Simply not an NHL regular.

Megna - go away. Maybe worth having back on a two-way deal for Utica.

Cramarossa has done nothing here. He was worth a look when we had zero depth, but really has done nothing to earn a spot. I'm not fussed either way about giving him a QO.

Dorsett sucks and it would be great if he was gone, but you know he'll be on the roster playing regularly and 'mentoring' next year. Ugh.

Boucher ... I dunno. To me he's just a space-filling skill player who lacks the complete game to ever be an NHL regular on a decent team. It's nice to see him popping goals here lately, but on a team that's trying to develop a similar-style (but hopefully better) sniping winger in Boeser, I really don't see the room for both guys. Plus Granlund, who is also a very similar-style player.

Also I'd say Goldobin is anything but a lock. I guess they'll try and force him on the roster to make that trade look good, but I'm not sold he'll last a terribly long time.

Agreed on all of them. Great post!!

What prospects in the farm are of interest?
Cole Cassels - is he ready to make the jump and become the anti-McDavid (from his junior days) that he was destined to be?

Jake Virtanen in our top 9 looks great to be honest, especially if Utica plays some meaningful games down the stretch.

Zack MacEwen? - or is he being overhyped (like me with Larsen last year)?

Borna Rendulic?

Yan-Pavel Laplante?

Michael Carcone?



Agree with your points on Boucher. Not super sold on him yet. He's definitely talented though & should warrant a spot if he's willing to apply the puck pressure. Sometimes you can just tell he's not pushing it to the fullest on some shifts.

Agree on Shore as well. 2-way contract only. I could see him working into a good complimentary role alongside the Sedins as a backup/spot situation. For that alone, I could be tempted by a 1 way deal especially if it's a 1 year deal too.

Goldobin seems a bit lost out there. Not sure if it's because of Sutter or he's "15 lbs lighter." But not sold on him as well... he's definitely talented. Is he waiver eligible/exempt next season? - Can't see from Capfriendly for next season.

Really want to see Rodin in action.
I think a 4th line of Rodin-Sutter-Boucher/Rendulic could be an excellent 4th line. May i dare say ELITE 4th line.

With Goldobin slotting in as the LW3.. Rodin could essentially be down in the 4th line.. or move and down the roster depending on how hot they get for stretches on the season.


Vegas probably picks Gaunce, Chaput, Grenier, Rodin (if these 4 are offered & sign a contract with the team anytime from now till June 21, 2017) & if what other posters are saying are right about the amount of available dmen from other teams would make it less attractive for Vegas to pick Sbisa - who is a really dman that could be a 4th at his best.. and 6/7th on an elite contender. I got to say Sbisa has played well when called upon during some difficult stretches this year. He's been better than the year before. Our results as a whole this year are terrible though.... I do see some hope.

 

[ATypicalCanadian]

This is my opinion, but Ideally:

On the Canucks: Goldobin, Boucher, Gaunce

AHL Depth: Shore, Chaput, Labate, Cramarossa

Toss: Dorsett, Megna, Skille. Get these guys off the team please.

Virtanen I'd like to keep in Utica for longer and Boeser is a maybe.

Rodin is to be determined I guess. I would totally dig a Boucher/Gaunce/Rodin 4th line though.