BronzeSpruce
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Vitale vs Sutter
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I'd trade Sutter in a package for a top line wing but that's it. Vitale isn't any better. Expectations are just way lower for him. Sutter is better now and clearly has far more upside.
Winger for Hire
Praise Beebo
Is Vitale a better hockey player? Nope
Can Vitale fill Sutter's role on the 3rd line (because he was packaged for Evander)? Yes
I would also like to add it would be nice to see Vitale take regular draws centering the 3rd line.
Can Vitale fill Sutter's role on the 3rd line (because he was packaged for Evander)? Yes
I would also like to add it would be nice to see Vitale take regular draws centering the 3rd line.
We'd need a better 3rd line center than Vitale to win a championship, imo. Although I think that is far easier to find than a top line wing which is why I'd be willing to trade Sutter in a package for that type of winger and then find a veteran 3C at or before the deadline.
Vitale can't finish...at all.
Sutter is far from ideal, but he's significantly better than Vitale. If we traded Sutter we really would have 6 fourth line / fringe nhl players on the bottom 2 lines.
Sutter is far from ideal, but he's significantly better than Vitale. If we traded Sutter we really would have 6 fourth line / fringe nhl players on the bottom 2 lines.
We all know how effective Shero is at finding long-term needs, offensively speaking.
I wish they'd give Sutter more of a purpose. He really doesn't seem to play that shutdown type of role here. I know you can't spend all game being scared of the match-ups when the bigger priority is to get Sid and Geno big minutes but I think Sutter does a lot better when he has a purpose like he did in Carolina as a shutdown guy.
TheStinger
Non Omnis Moriar
I seriously don't want that mutt anywhere near this team. He is a full blown moron of epic proportions.
Ott seems to wear out his welcome pretty fast too. Dallas fans were ripping him to shreds at the end of his time down there and Buffalo fans seemed to be very down on the guy this year a lot of the time too.
Crafton
Liver-Eating Johnson
i agree. Bennett-Vitale-Megna would be an interesting look for the rest of the season. at least they'd bring speed and tenacity as a group.
the question i have is if Sutter (even when coupled with other assets) is valuable enough to bring in a winger good enough to justify the roster uncertainty his departure would bring?
there's talk of Sutter being used in a Kane deal. why would the Jets look to land him as a centerpiece? i will say that i imagine that Sutter does bring a 'signability' bonus to the teams in western Canada. teams that are purported to have issues attracting free-agents.
Shady Machine
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The problem is he doesn't have the wingers to be the shutdown guy. Whenever they play him in that role, Bylsma rolls out Gladams with him. That clearly isn't a shutdown caliber 3rd line. So, in that case, I'd much rather prefer a Megna-Sutter-Gibbons 3rd line that can add secondary scoring and play decent defensively. That will never happen, but yeah.
A whoever-Sutter-Dupuis line would have been the way to go if they wanted a shutdown line.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
I think Sill is closer to taking Vitale's job on the fourth than Vitale is to taking Sutter's job on the third.
IcedCapp
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I agree with you entirely.
*IF* Sutter was a piece needed to bring back - as an example - Evander Kane, okay, I do it.
But:
1) it has to be someone of that caliber to justify running Vitale as your 3C for the rest of the season
and
2) I don't think Sutter has that much value.
wheelz87
LGP
I would love to package Sutter in a deal for a big time winger. But no, Vitale is not better than Sutter. Sutter quite possibly has played with the biggest pieces of turds in NHL history this year, third liner or not.
Could a stacked top 6 plus either Vitale or Jokinen on the 3rd line work? I absolutely think it could.
Could a stacked top 6 plus either Vitale or Jokinen on the 3rd line work? I absolutely think it could.
orby
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Vitale hits harder than Sutter but that's about it. Sutter is clearly the better player even if he's just an average 3C.
Tasty Biscuits
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As far as offense goes, I'd like to see Sutter get more than one game with legitimate NHL players on his wing this season. His defensive game has been fine, and is better than Vitale or Zill's ever will be.
maybe i just watched too much of the world juniors, but it seems like sutter plays a much more european style than youd expect from a good canadian boy from red deer. doesnt offer the sense of energy and physicality that vitale brings, but clearly is in the right place more often than not defensively. on the vitale front, i think hes perfectly suited for a 4C role, though he could lead a dominant 4th line given some better wingers.
PensBandwagonerNo272*
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Keep Sutter and re-sign him because he's a RFA.
The time to debate trading him is when he's a future pending UFA.
Cheap, serviceable, young 3C with upside.
The time to debate trading him is when he's a future pending UFA.
Cheap, serviceable, young 3C with upside.
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Praise Beebo
I think this is what is going to end up happening, but if Sutter is a make or break point in a trade for someone like Kane... you have to let him go. Especially Kane, who is carrying only a $5.25 cap hit until 17/18.
Not sure anyone noticed this but Vitale has no scoring touch at all. Like laughably bad. If he had hands like sutter did maybe he would be half the player he is.
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Praise Beebo
With a stacked top 2 lines does it really matter if your #3C is a finisher or not (in a perfect world you'd want finishers everywhere, but this isn't that world). He's a top faceoff man and if you flank him with Jussi and Megna I think he'd be OK.
AjaxTelamon
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I've gotta disagree with #2, I think Sutter has a lot of value this season and moving forward. He can finish, he can play a defensive game, his cap hit is really low right now, and he's still young with good upside. And his name doesn't hurt either. If you played him with anyone capable of passing, he would net you 15-20 consistently. His PK stats this year are off the charts effective, and his advanced stats of moving the play from the D zone to the O zone are awfully good too. There simply are not a ton of guys with this package, at this cap hit, at this age in the league right now.
We play him with complete garbage, and thus get as little as possible out of the guy.
I would not include him in any package, as trying to replace him without spending a lot of assets would be a nightmare, and counter-productive. Our resource to trade is D men. Old ones, young ones, fat ones, tall ones. We have them. We can't be trading Neal or BB or Sutter, completely counter-productive.
And Vitale is in no way a short or long term replacement for Sutter on a championship team.
Now, if we were sending Sutter + 1st to the Peg for Kane, then ok. We can use D depth to replace him. But if the deal is Sutter + Depres + 1st, then I (and the organization) will not do that deal. Nor would Winnipeg, for that matter. We would be better served with trading for Seto and only giving up futures, and retaining all of our assets for the ideal trade, like an ROR for Depres + 1st + 1b prospect type of thing. In other words, a deal that we get the better of.
