Vancouver Media Thread IV

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  1. Peen Rejoicing in a Gudbranson-free world

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    Last one had 1000 posts.

    Thought I'd start this one with quality.

     
  2. Didalee Hed I’m trying to understand

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    That video is way too good
     
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  3. vanuck But Gillis...!!!

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    Wasn't Dayal simping for management just barely a day ago when free agency started???
     
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    You've completely missed the point TBH. I'm not sure if you listened but it isn't contradicting in any way.

    Passing on Tanev and Markstrom at their deals was the right decision.

    The problems caused by the bad contracts meant the canucks were bystanders in a buyers market and this one year push just to take two steps back makes absolutely no sense and is indicative of no plan.

    That was his point.
     
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    Can't one call a spade a spade? If the reports of Canucks circling back on Stecher is right, this has been terrible mismanagement. I'm fine with not having prepared for the flat cap. The cap was going up every year prior to the pandemic. Even when players weren't happy with the escrow they were still choosing to raise the cap.

    Going for OEL is fine especially if we were looking to move some salary. But we failed to acquire him and may have pissed off our own guys (which may be irrelevant). Not stepping up and signing Markstrom is fine. Calgary's offer is a huge commitment that I would be scared to make. Offering Tanev a 2 year contract is fine. I would have given him a more reasonable AAV but otherwise I'm fine with not giving him 4 years. I'm also fine with moving on from Tanev and Stecher because management decided to make a change. The fact is that even with Tanev, Stecher, and Edler, the Canucks D weren't good so I can be on board with a large scale makeover.

    However, missing out on Stecher because we were chasing Barrie and ultimately missing out on both is not fine. If we were interested in having Stecher back, we should have made it a priority to secure Stecher at an affordable price first, especially after Tanev is off the board.

    So now what? If Benning pulls off a Virtanen for Carlo trade and re-sign Tofolli then I'm fine. I'm also fine with pencilling in Juolevi, Rafferty, and or Rathbone as part of our bottom pairing. We need someone else not currently on the roster to be a top 4 D on the right side. :(
     
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  6. vanuck But Gillis...!!!

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    Yes though this piece is a rather stark change in tone from what he said on Twitter when he was praising management for standing pat and not signing Markstrom/Tanev to the deals they got. Nonetheless he's still accusing them of being conservative when they made win-now moves last summer.

    When he's saying there's a "lack of clarity in their thinking" that strikes me as a very different attitude from Friday.

    But perhaps I don't know Dayal well enough to summarize his position. I just thought it was funny that's all.
     
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    Harman dayal in the comments on that reddit post

     
  8. Peter10 Registered User

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    My main problem is that they apparently can't focus on more than one thing at a time. Having the Markstrom negotiations and the trade talks with Arizona seemed to overwhelm them and they couldn't do anything else until a decision was made there.

    It's not like they were locked into a office with Markstroms agent trying to hammer out a deal. There is so much time in between the talks, what to they do? Of course you need to have internal meetings to adjust the strateeggy depending on how negotiations are going but what else keeps them away to check in with Tanev, Stecher, Barrie, Bogosian etc?
     
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    It's almost like the moves last season weren't about the good of the franchise but about the short-term BS goal of Fake Stanley Cup Playoffs 2020 to save their jobs, at the expense of competing in the future.
     
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  10. vanuck But Gillis...!!!

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    Thanks for sharing! I noticed that he wasn't afraid to be open on Twitter yesterday about questioning "the plan" (though not even being that harsh on them).
     
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    This narrow minded focus is just another example of Benning’s need to be involved in everything. He clearly lacks the confidence to allow others to manage solutions.
     
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    Dayal is a rare guy in the local media who shows up on both radio stations and I think sometimes he is cautious not to offend the Canucks/Sportsnet side of things.

    And while he undoubtedly is extremely smart when it comes to analytics, I don't always agree with how he applies it to team-building. At this stage, he's a bit more book smart than street smart, if that makes sense.
     
  13. tantalum Hope for the best. Expect the worst

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    It’s almost like the confusion is stemming from the fact they don’t have a direction and just make shit up as they go along.

    In a vacuum the decisions are “prudent” but this isn’t a vacuum. The decisions weren’t really prudent they were FORCED because of past actions.

    It was forced because of how badly they screwed up outside the narrow view vacuum of now.

    They screwed up primarily because the pro scouting talent assessments are awful and they don’t actually have a plan.

    It’s not that they change plans..they’ve never had one. Or they’ve never had a detailed one that goes beyond we want to make playoffs. They have no road map developed so they get lost at every turn.
     
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    It seems weird to criticize them for that at this stage in the game anyway. It has nothing to do with doing whatever they want at any given point in time now. Decisions of the past have led us to this situation and we especially spent our money poorly in free agency.
     
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    Pretty funny considering how horrible his ratings are doing (both before covid and relative to other stations drops after lol)- The King of Vancouver radio holds the 17/19th ratings spot for his timeslot. 0.6 market share and he acts like this? yikes.
     
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    I don't mind Walker and I think you could make a highlight reel of my worst posts on this board and it would be pretty bad too. That said, he's been out to lunch on this cap situation for awhile.
     
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  17. tradervik Boycott Bell Media

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    One of the reasons I miss Botchford was his lack of inhibition in going after Walker for a stupid take. Drance will occasionally push back but he just doesn't have it in him to give Walker the shellacking he deserves.
     
  18. I am toxic . . . but I'm not viral

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    What tune was Dayal singing last year when mismanagement signed all those predictably poor to bad contracts and gave away essentially a draft's worth of picks to not really compete now, just to prolong Benning's disastrous tenure?
     
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  19. Just A Bit Outside Playoffs??!

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    Benning and Co have always operated like they could just do whatever they wanted and it would work out.

    Pile of shit contracts? We can move those out easy! Who cares if there’s a flat cap and pandemic.

    Not talk to our 2 UFA RHD? No problem! If things don’t work out with OEL, we will give them a ST terrible contract offer and they will accept because they want to stay so bad.

    Doesn’t work with OEL, Tanev or Stecher? No biggy! We’ve always loved Barrie and I’m sure he’ll come here if we send him an offer.

    There is no actual plan.

    It’s children in the front office who don’t have a f***ing clue outside the walls to their office.

    We have a someone who likes to watch junior hockey games as a GM.

    Cause it’s f***ing clear as day he doesn’t watch NHL games or pays attention to anything related to this team and any other NHL franchise.
     
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    When you have limited cap space and need to fit an even more tight 21-22 season cap situation each decision impacts what you can do.

    you pay Stecher his $1.7 mill then that eats into what else you can do. Canucks are capped out for 21-22 unless they move some money out which isn’t going to happen this off season. So they can’t be making moves with the hope that they can an off season from now. Just not smart.

    whether Roussel or Beagle hold any type of value will depend on how they perform. Roussel is younger and if he does bounce back from acl injury has a chance to get moved. Beagle age will hurt . Would need a team looking for a pk C to try to get him.

    more hope with Seattle since teams are prepared for the ED and they may need to take on contracts for picks.

    but again can’t be making moves now hoping those things occur later.
     
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    Just went through his articles on the athletic regarding the most notable moves made 2019 summer onwards.

    Ferland: He basically pointed out every concern about aging powerforwards, his concussion issues, his scoring being inflated by luck and his role offensively as a passenger on the lines he played on and how that may not necessarily translate. Oh, and he acknowledged the cap issues.

    However, he still felt that it was a worthwhile gamble just to be clear.

    Micheal Ferland is a great add for Canucks at a fair cost but the signing's not without cap questions

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    Myers: Not a fan. Short term upgrade as a 4-5 that will regress into a clear cut bottom pair guy by the time the team EP/QH are on their second deals.

    What to make of the Tyler Myers contract and the Canucks' blue line overhaul

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    Toffoli: his thoughts on this trade summarized by this conclusion ->

    There's no doubt Tyler Toffoli will make the Canucks' top six better, but was the hefty price worth it?

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    Miller: Probably the best of all to read because he provides pretty much every point regarding leverage in the trade, Miller being an elite player, the window to contend, opportunity cost, EVERYTHING we discussed last year. I can try and summarize his thoughts. He loved the player as a fit and projected he'd easily bounce back into a 55+ point player but thought we paid a high price to make the playoffs and everything.

    JT Miller is everything the Canucks need in a top-six winger -- but was the price worth it?

    I provided a small snippet from each article as I'm not quite sure what the sites rules are on posting PPV content in full.

    Boy genius.
     
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    You would think that a GM can multitask and have multiple negotiations going but it's actually not unusual for GMs to focus on one task at a time. Take the Flames, they told Brodie that they are focused on signing Markstrom first. Brodie then signs with TO and Flames shifted focus to Tanev.

    In previous years teams were known to have waiting for an answer from a player and lost out on other free agent targets.
     
  23. Didalee Hed I’m trying to understand

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    Great post
     
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    You must have missed the part where he said this:

    " here’s definitely an argument to be made that Ferland is the type of clinical finisher that outperforms his shot metrics and I have a lot of time for that line of reasoning (even if it’s not to the drastic extent that we’ve seen the last couple years).
    ...
    The 6-foot-1, 216 pounder is a true power forward who dominates below the hash marks and along the walls. He fights through traffic to find tips and deflections, is a puck recovery machine near the goalmouth on rebounds and has the sense and wherewithal to read off of skilled players and find soft spots in the opposition’s coverage.

    Sportlogiq’s data affirms the eye test with Ferland grading as one of the league’s better forwards at receiving and firing pucks from within the slot and generating second-chance scoring opportunities.
    ...
    The fit should be excellent for a Canucks team that struggled for most of the year to get to the front of the net and battle for chances in the not so glamorous ways.
    ...
    It was evident that the Canucks needed to add skilled forwards who could also crash the net and cause some havoc and in since adding Tanner Pearson, JT Miller and now Ferland, Vancouver’s accomplished exactly that.
    ...
    Looking at the Ferland signing independent of the other contracts on the team, there’s quite a lot to like. He doesn’t drive play or create much on his own, but pair him with elite talent and he’s proven to be very capable of shining below the hash marks as a complementary power forward."
     

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