The person I am having this discussion with (Orcatown) thinks that Zawelski is a better prospect than Shinkaruk.
Think about that for a second. Then get back to me when I say it's just my "opinion" that 2-way players get overrated.
This is what you posted. If you untangle this (and that is not so easy to do) you support your contention that 2 way players get over-rated by saying I see Zalewski as better prospect than Shinkaruk.
You emphasize that by telling him to think twice about that.
So the basis for your claim that people overrate 2-way players is how I rate Z over Shinkaruk. That is what your post says. Right???
People's opinions about who is best b/w Toews or Crosby or Doughty or Karlsson or whoever are all over the map. Some say one thing. Others think differently.
Saying that b/c people have different opinions about whose better b/w individual players means that 2-way players always get overrated is frankly ridiculous.
I think what you are trying to say (in a very tortured way) is that we are under-estimating Shinkaruk b/c of some tendency to over rate 2- way players and then using this as some sort of argument to justify putting Shinkaruk ahead of Z.
I think rather than going to an argument that implies bais or lack of balance in those who differ with you, you would be much better off stating specifically the attributes that make Shinkaruk the better prospect. (and let's not just use point totals).
Here is an exmple of how this might be done.
Strength - No contest Z is much stronger
Skating - Z is the better skater. More top end speed and tighter pivots. Z is a very good skater whereas Shinkaruk is average. Can really see this on the back check
Shot/Scoring - Shinkaruk is better but the gap is closing
Stick handling - Z is better. Shinkaruk is not a great stick handler
Passing - Z needs to improve here but so does Shinkaruk.
Compete level -I'd say about equal
Puck management/Protecting the puck - Z is better at providing himself space to make a play. He has the puck a lot more than Shinkaruk and if you want to time out a game in terms of possession you would see this is true.
Knocking people off the puck/ Playing in traffic - no contest. Z is by any measurement much better.
PK - no contest again. Shinkaruk does not kill penalties. Sign of his lack of lateral skating ability. At the AHL level, Z is an outstanding penalty killer
PP - Z never plays PP (and his stats would look a lot better if he did) so concede Shinkaruk is better here.
Awareness around the net - Shinkaruk has this. Z not so much
And so on.
You might differ in some of these assessments or even categories (and others could certainly be added) but the point is that we would comparing the attributes of these players rather than simply saying that people who differ from us are somehow biased. If you start off by saying that then no reasonable discussion is possible.
It would be like dismissing everything you said by calling you a fanboy who only wants to see the positives in everything (and I am not saying that) If I did you could rightly say I was not open to a discussion but preempted any discussion by saying you had some sort of bias or unbalanced approach.
