Heart, character, grit, leadership, experience...these things don't show up on a stat sheet, but they do show up in the wins column. It's not all about zone time or shot attempts or whatever metric is all the rage now, not about fights or PIMs either. It's about being a team and playing for each other and building a group identity as you come together to pursue a goal. You can't isolate one player in a team sport like hockey and pick out numbers like that...it's a deceptive picture and detracts from what's really going on which is, they are playing together and growing together and building something good here, and Dorsett is a big part of that.
Post-Game Talk: Vancouver Canucks 4 vs. Philadelphia Flyers 1: Part 2. Irish Eyes Are Smiling Tonight
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December 5th
I'm fine if they cut down his minutes. I'm not an advocate for him to play 15 minutes. But, I also don't see the point in limiting his icetime to 11 minutes. Horvat has show he can handle 13 minutes in my eyes.
I do think Dorsett can be a good 4th line guy. But, I mean look how deep our team is. He's easily the worst forward in tonights lineup. You can't move him down the lineup with how good Kenins-Horvat-Hansen has been and you can't move him up the lineup because he drags the team down.
Fair enough, you maybe right like i said maybe he can handle it, i cant say for sure either way since each day contributes to his first season as a pro and then we possibly have playoffs. I just wanted to separate that its not dorsett over bo, its the richardsons line over bo's that yielded the ice time tonight.
Hansen and dorsett should be swapped imo based on game performance, but i dont know if many people want to move hansen off that horvat line.
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WTG
December 5th
You know we are a team with a ton of Leadership, and experience and heart, and all that "intangibles" stuff. But, honestly why is the argument about taking these kinds of players out of the lineup always that they have "intangibles"? Why can't good hockey players have "intangibles"? A guy like Hansen went to the stanley cup finals with this team. He has experience, plays with heart is a character and for the most part leads by example on that 4th line. But nobody mentions Hansen's "intangibles". But, when it comes to Dorsett it's "no he does stuff off the score sheet".
I dont think anyone is cocky after the la game last week.
With that said we also had a post hit a crossbar if we are counting, if we are going to use crossbars as an excuse against us, can we use that if we hit posts/crossbars and loose games? I dont think we would/should, nor did the flyers fans.
WTG
December 5th
Take Hansen off the Horvat line just to limit Dorsett's icetime seems like a silly idea. We already had the Dorsett-Horvat experiment and tbh. It wasn't very good.
If we are going to demote Dorsett it shouldn't have to come at the expense of Horvat.
Ok, but then dorsetts ice time on nights like tonight wont be decreasing. If richardson is having a strong game playing 13 minutes mostly at even strength dorsett will be out to.
Of course people will just want him scratched but tonight for instance the canucks and some media stand firm kassian has a back problem.
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December 5th
I see i didnt edit my post quick enough.
If kassian injury is legit and canucks remain steadfast and so do some media he has a sore back, who goes in tonight, vey or mcmillan? And then we are having this conversation about those two playing 14 minutes instead of dorsett.
WTG
December 5th
Vey for me.
The guy gets a lot of hate for being terrible at playing center. But, I actually like him at RW. At least if you give him some playing time he might develop into a real 2/3 tweener type that plays on your third line and could move up in the lineup if there's an injury.
Where as Dorsett is just always going to be a 4th liner. No real potential there.
no they dont
yes, you can, and you have to if you want any hope of 'making a good team'
of course if you just want a Grit Hard Team Work Go well then yeah, pick your favourite personalities and guys who willingly turn their brain into mush
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Having more energy than anyone means little if you're always outshot when you're on the ice. You better be working your ass off to get the puck out if you're hemmed in your own zone a lot.
Dorsett with 4 points in his last two games. Can't see him being scratched with that kind of production which has come since Ritchie returned.
The two seem to have found some chemistry.
If the second line can get something going we will have four solid lines even if we don't have the same high level top 6 as the real top teams.
The two seem to have found some chemistry.
If the second line can get something going we will have four solid lines even if we don't have the same high level top 6 as the real top teams.
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Sedins + Burr saved Desjardins from another idiotic coaching disaster. Lines 1, 2, and "4" (LMAO) win the Corsi battle, and the team loses it on the whole because line "3" (LMAO) is so bad they overcome any positive impact the other lines have.
And yet Dorsett leads the entire $*&#ing team in 5v5 ice time?
This coach is an idiot. These aren't rookie mistakes. This is un-evolved idiocy and the playoffs are going to be a nightmare for match-ups. Too bad the media in Vancouver is so soft on these guys.
And yet Dorsett leads the entire $*&#ing team in 5v5 ice time?
This coach is an idiot. These aren't rookie mistakes. This is un-evolved idiocy and the playoffs are going to be a nightmare for match-ups. Too bad the media in Vancouver is so soft on these guys.
I was at the game last night and in this case, the low Corsi from Dorsett/Bieksa/Sbisa was very evident. It seemed like the coach kept putting those pairings out together, and they got hemmed in there zone every time for multiple chances against. It was awful to watch, they couldn't get the puck out or keep control in the Flyers zone.
If you just got rid of the 3rd line and that defensive pairing, you're looking at incredibly lopsided possession stats.
Also, I don't know where the hit stats came from but visually you could tell that the Flyers were much harder hitting than the Canucks. There were only a handful of good hits from the Canucks tonight.
If you just got rid of the 3rd line and that defensive pairing, you're looking at incredibly lopsided possession stats.
Also, I don't know where the hit stats came from but visually you could tell that the Flyers were much harder hitting than the Canucks. There were only a handful of good hits from the Canucks tonight.
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They were saying on 1040 last night that Vancouver stats guys are somewhat known for not being generous at giving to hits to visiting teams.
Another thing to consider when trying to tell the tale of a game by it's stats.
Yeah, he's such an idiot that with the same core, we surpassed last year's point total with 13 games to go. WD has won at every level he's coached at and has our team playing entertaining hockey.
I think I'll just give him the benefit of the doubt.
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I'm being hyperbolic, but relative to a "good" NHL coach, these are idiotic decisions.
Out-coaching Tortorella from last season is not enough for me to be swayed that Dorsett should be anywhere near leading the team in 5v5 ice time for forwards in any circumstance.
Toxic0n
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If we lost Henrik+Bonino(Santo) for two+ months again, this team would be right there competing for a top 5 pick. Willie doesn't have much to do with the team's relative success this season. Just my opinion.
Some people believe our coach pays attention to advanced statistics. I have disagreed on this all season, and last nights in game Corsi is my proof.
Continue to tote out a Richardson line that is getting crushed in Corsi, and give your best Corsi line the least amount of ice time.
Seems like incredibly poor usage, but I have a fairly limited knowledge of these stats.
Why can't you isolate those stats? I'm isolating his "line" last night, not just him, but the point remains.
Dorsett is the least effective forward on the roster at actually playing hockey. I understand that the things that make him valuable don't show up on the scoresheet, but they also don't show up in the win column or else Columbus wouldn't have picked in the lottery for his tenure there.
Some people dismiss them outright, but others like yourself, place way too much value on them.
The Rangers look like a better team this season having replaced him with Tanner Glass, so these things, while they play a part in a team dynamic, don't actually contribute that much to winning, more to feeling good.
Mr. Canucklehead
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I don't know about that. I would venture that the decimation we've seen to this team's defense and goaltending puts our injury status on an as-bad or worse level as last season, and yet we've persevered through it in equal parts thanks to depth, players stepping up, and coaching.
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This team goes as Henrik goes for the most part. By far the most important player on this team IMO. The Sedins (plus Horvat and Kassian) ensured that we didn't go into a tailspin with all of the injuries.
Mr. Canucklehead
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Oh, I agree that Henrik is the MVP. But losing our top pairing for an extended period of time, half of our second pairing for an even longer period of time, our starting (or 1A/1B goalie) for a long period of time...those aren't insignifcant injuries. Where we are at this point is impressiev.
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