Friedman: Vancouver and Carolina discussed possible Pettersson trade; VAN and EP resume extension negotiations

[JKG33]

I can't help but feel like the Canucks would be a better team with Necas, Kotkaniemei, and say they turn those 1sts into Guentzal?

Guentzal-Miller-Boeser
Kotkaniemi-Lindholm-Necas

That's some chel franchise mode shit but that could be the best top 6 in the league

 

[User13452]

Anyone who thinks aho should or would have been in the deal doesn’t know hockey and that’s all that really needs to be said.

 

[Lempo]

Likely included Jarvis.

Story goes - Waddell made big and final offer, got ghosted for a while, then the next response was, you’re out, which left the Canes no time to pivot elsewhere before the deadline. They had placed all their eggs in the Meier basket and figured their offer was too good to refuse.

Probably a good idea to take all of that with a grain of salt. It’s a healthy bit of speculation.

What's more, afterwards it looked apparent that Meier was going to NJ all that time, and SJ really wasn't bona fide trading Meier to Canes at any point but they were just dragged along either to drive the price up or for some other reason.

Supposedly the offer Canes made was objectively the better one, but who knows for sure.

 

[canadianmagpie]

I can't help but feel like the Canucks would be a better team with Necas, Kotkaniemei, and say they turn those 1sts into Guentzal?

Guentzal-Miller-Boeser
Kotkaniemi-Lindholm-Necas

That's some chel franchise mode shit but that could be the best top 6 in the league

I would have liked to have see a Myers/Pesce swap included in the deal as well. I think Pesce would be the perfect RD to Hughes and allows Hronek to move to a different line to create some better puckmoving skill on another pairing.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

why is Pettersson jerking the Canucks around? I don't get it

just trying to get more money?

From what little has actually gotten out, it appears that's partially the case. At the start of the season we were pretty firmly in the 11M range while Pettersson wanted 12M. Once the season got going, Pettersson just didn't want to deal with contract talks at all. I don't necessarily think it was a money thing but just him walking to focus.

He's since admitted he didn't expect the media to get this bad. Hence why they've started talking again. Granted, you have to wonder if the Carolina talks spooked him.

 

[McJC]

I can't help but feel like the Canucks would be a better team with Necas, Kotkaniemei, and say they turn those 1sts into Guentzal?

Guentzal-Miller-Boeser
Kotkaniemi-Lindholm-Necas

That's some chel franchise mode shit but that could be the best top 6 in the league

That's not even the best top 6 in the division

 

[AhosDatsyukian]

Likely included Jarvis.

Story goes - Waddell made big and final offer, got ghosted for a while, then the next response was, you’re out, which left the Canes no time to pivot elsewhere before the deadline. They had placed all their eggs in the Meier basket and figured their offer was too good to refuse.

Probably a good idea to take all of that with a grain of salt. It’s a healthy bit of speculation.

Jarvis is more valuable than Meier so thanks to the Sharks for sending him to NJ

 

[Unsustainable]

I would have liked to have see a Myers/Pesce swap included in the deal as well. I think Pesce would be the perfect RD to Hughes and allows Hronek to move to a different line to create some better puckmoving skill on another pairing.

so what you're saying is:

Necas, KK, Pesce, 1st, Morrow
for
EP and Myers?

 

[KaraLupin]

I can't help but feel like the Canucks would be a better team with Necas, Kotkaniemei, and say they turn those 1sts into Guentzal?

Guentzal-Miller-Boeser
Kotkaniemi-Lindholm-Necas

That's some chel franchise mode shit but that could be the best top 6 in the league

Yeah the first line looks beastly, but jury still out on Lindholm offensively, as well as KK as LW2 isn't optimal. This also puts Canucks into cap hell next season if they plan on keeping everyone.

 

[JKG33]

Yeah the first line looks beastly, but jury still out on Lindholm offensively, as well as KK as LW2 isn't optimal. This also puts Canucks into cap hell next season if they plan on keeping everyone.

Yea personally I'm not a huge KK fan either. But if Mikheyev goes to Pittsburgh in a Guentzel deal then ya'll wouldn't be in cap hell that badly even with Lindholm and Guentzel re-signed (if they're willing).

I know Lindholm and Guentzel are both older than EP, but if you can get them combined for $4m-ish more than what you'd pay EP that's a tradeoff I'd happily make if I were the Canucks

 

[Ita]

If I was Carolina I would have offered Aho and a 1st for EP.

Assuming EP signs with Carolina, that's a terrible offer for the Canucks.

The difference between those two players is not a low 1st in a weak draft.

 

[Tact]

so what you're saying is:

Necas, KK, Pesce, 1st, Morrow
for
EP and Myers?

Remove Morrow and add Nikishin - deal is done

 

[Nikishin Go Boom]

Assuming EP signs with Carolina, that's a terrible offer for the Canucks.

The difference between those two players is not a low 1st in a weak draft.

you are right the diffference isnt worth a 1st rounder in the a weak draft it is lower.

 

[BCNate]

Nah it would not be this much. HF always over valuing what's coming back in a trade

2 2nd liners, a legit top prospect and a later 1st for a 100 pt C entering his prime? Not sure that is over valuing but OK.

 

[UrbanImpact]

25 yr old 100 point centres who has garnered selke votes before will cost a pretty penny.

To have even gotten the Canucks to even consider an offer, it probably would have to be something like :

1st
Necas
Nichiskin
B Nadeua

for

EP40
4th

Who knows though, Rutherford and Allvin may have just been bluffing EP40.....regardless, that takes a lot of cojones

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

It’s not really. I don’t believe they would’ve dealt him, unless the offer was too good to pass up, but it gave them an opportunity to make Pettersson give them an honest answer of whether he wants to be here longterm. If Canuck’s management had no indication of what Pettersson’s future plans were, and it sounds like they didn’t up until recently, it severely hinders what sort of moves they’re able to make this trade deadline.

This is the part that every fan of other teams "expert" on here can't seem to comprehend.

 

[Schennanigans]

Would be a complete shock for a team to trade their top player when they are where they are in the standings.

 

[oceanchild]

Anyone who thinks aho should or would have been in the deal doesn’t know hockey and that’s all that really needs to be said.

Why is it that you only know hockey if you think Aho shouldn’t be in the deal. That’s a rather arrogant stance to take. I’m sure some rational exsist that would make it a reasonable stance to include him.

 

[Ita]

Uhh, you do realized [sic] he can wait a bit over a year and walk as a UFA right?

But this is not what you said. You said he can go where he wants (now).

 

[oceanchild]

25 yr old 100 point centres who has garnered selke votes before will cost a pretty penny.

To have even gotten the Canucks to even consider an offer, it probably would have to be something like :

1st
Necas
Nichiskin
B Nadeua

for

EP40
4th

Who knows though, Rutherford and Allvin may have just been bluffing EP40.....regardless, that takes a lot of cojones

I think it would have been more than that for the Canucks to disrupt the season and approach Pettersson.

 

[UrbanImpact]

in typical HF form, the value of magic bean prospects and draft picks are worth more than proven established players.

 

[Frankie Blueberries]

Why is it that you only know hockey if you think Aho shouldn’t be in the deal. That’s a rather arrogant stance to take. I’m sure some rational exsist that would make it a reasonable stance to include him.

I am guessing it’s because Carolina wouldn’t be that much more competitive with Pettersson in over Aho. An upgrade, but maybe not a huge one. Although Pettersson has put up more impressive playoff stats than Aho, so the upgrade could be more significant than the poster is giving credit to.

If they are suggesting that Aho is somehow better than Pettersson, then they are out to lunch. Even with contracts considered, Pettersson has put up more impressive stats while playing with worse linemates than Aho and is a year younger.

 

[oceanchild]

I am guessing it’s because Carolina wouldn’t be that much more competitive with Pettersson in over Aho. An upgrade, but maybe not a huge one. Although Pettersson has put up more impressive playoff stats than Aho, so the upgrade could be more significant than the poster is giving credit to.

If they are suggesting that Aho is somehow better than Pettersson, then they are out to lunch. Even with contracts considered, Pettersson has put up more impressive stats while playing with worse linemates than Aho and is a year younger.

I agree the point would be to have them on the same team and push for a cup, and I would agree to that line of thinking. But to suggest that anyone that has a different stance somehow doesn’t know the sport seems a bit over the top.

Maybe they can start a thread and explain it all to us.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

I can't help but feel like the Canucks would be a better team with Necas, Kotkaniemei, and say they turn those 1sts into Guentzal?

Guentzal-Miller-Boeser
Kotkaniemi-Lindholm-Necas

That's some chel franchise mode shit but that could be the best top 6 in the league

That "2nd line" is crap. Lindholm is playing like a 3rd liner, and KK has regressed even more offensively. We will be a 1-line team if that ends up happening, while costing substantially more than just retaining Petey and adding some middle-6 wingers (assuming Guentzel and Lindholm are retained beyond this season).

Does KK even have any trade value at this point? I feel like if he is moved, he is at best value-neutral, but from a Vancouver perspective I would view him as a negative-value asset. The term left on his contract is NOT an asset at the rate he is producing.

 

[canadianmagpie]

so what you're saying is:

Necas, KK, Pesce, 1st, Morrow
for
EP and Myers?

Honestly, I would prefer to keep Pettersson at all costs but that deal would be somewhat tempting but I'd want a better prospect than Morrow.