Raptors Discussion: v78| It's playoff time | Rd 1 vs ORL | Gm3: Fri 4/19 7pm ET/4pm PT | SN

[La Masse]

Dont get killed by Gerald benchwarmer Green please

 

[Suntouchable13]

Damn, Lin couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. The bench has been shit

 

[stickty111]

Makes you appreciate FVV.

 

[rboomercat90]

Damn, Lin couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat. The bench has been ****

Team made a mistake going after Lin, he’s horrible. Van Vleet can’t come back fast enough.

 

[La Masse]

2nd unit has been horrible tonight.

 

[ANDI P IS CUTE]

tampa and boston will never lose again, nuts like 20-1 between them last 10 games.

 

[BorntoLose]

 

[Plat87]

Rockets dominated the Raptors, they need to play better plain and simple. They got crushed at home by an elite team that figures to be in the WCF, no excuses....on to the next.

 

[GoonieFace]

Team made a mistake going after Lin, he’s horrible. Van Vleet can’t come back fast enough.

Love posts like this, you were probably applauding the move, a couple of bad games and the bashing comes out.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Love posts like this, you were probably applauding the move, a couple of bad games and the bashing comes out.

Personally, I said he is just not hitting his shots right now. Don't think that's bashing

 

[GoonieFace]

Personally, I said he is just not hitting his shots right now. Don't think that's bashing

Nope, I was referring to the other comment that we should have never signed him. He definitely hasn't been good, hopefully he can turn it around.

 

[rboomercat90]

Love posts like this, you were probably applauding the move, a couple of bad games and the bashing comes out.

I wasn’t applauding or criticizing the move. I wanted to wait and see what he had left. I took the same approach towards Gasol too. In Lin’s case, it doesn’t look like much. The issue isn’t just his poor shooting. It’s his lack of quickness when he tries to dribble into traffic. He isn’t good enough to get by anyone and that’s leading to a lot of turnovers. I think the effort is there from him, just not the ability to execute plays, so I don’t think we’re looking at just a couple bad games.

 

[Suntouchable13]

How many men will the Raps use in the playoffs, assuming everyone is healthy? 9? Who would come off the bench? Gasol/Ibaka, Fred, OG. Would McCaw make the playoff rotation? Would Lin? Would Powell? Still a few games left to sort things out.

 

[The Nemesis]

How many men will the Raps use in the playoffs, assuming everyone is healthy? 9? Who would come off the bench? Gasol/Ibaka, Fred, OG. Would McCaw make the playoff rotation? Would Lin? Would Powell? Still a few games left to sort things out.

I envision that the rotation wouldn't be set in stone.

You'd have Lowry, Green, Kawhi, Siakam, Ibaka/Gasol at the top, then Gasol/Ibaka, VanVleet, OG, as the sure things off the bench. I don't imagine a place for McCaw. And Lin or Powell will depend entirely on how well they acquit themselves down the stretch. You'd have to imagine that in an ideal world they both get some run, especially Lin, but he needs to pick up his game and stop sucking.

I see the top 75-80% of a rotation, then the last couple of spots being fluid based on riding the hot hand and/or who off the bench offers the best matchups vs whichever team the Raptors are playing.

 

[Emerica]

Delon asked to be moved to have the chance at having starter minutes. He wasn’t re-signing one way or another.

 

[BorntoLose]

Delon asked to be moved to have the chance at having starter minutes. He wasn’t re-signing one way or another.

yea that's fair just stung juxtaposed with the atrocious performance of our bench last night especially Lin/Gasol. FVV come back please

 

[The Nemesis]

yea that's fair just stung juxtaposed with the atrocious performance of our bench last night especially Lin/Gasol. FVV come back please

The unfortunate thing is that Delon was part of the problem this season while he was still a Raptor. I clung to hope with him as long as I could, but his 3pt shooting was in the tank, his regular FG% was on the low side of his career norms, and none of his other stats were taking a step forward. And he was doing it with a usage rate he hadn't seen since his rookie year. It's good if he's doing better with Memphis (though honestly the stat lines don't show it so far. His shooting is worse from deep and the only thing he's doing better is defensive rebounding), but he wasn't helping the Raptors with their problems while he was here and I don't suspect he would be doing it now if he still was. The team basically has to hope that Lin gets his shooting out of the dumpster at this point.

by most advanced metrics (PER, Win Shares, BPM, VORP) this might have been his worst season as a Raptor. Or at the very least it wasn't a marked improvement on what he was as a rookie and was a downgrade from what he was last year.

I was going to comment on this on the Athletic piece about Houston dismantling the Raptors bench and that showing the problem, but the reality is that the Bench Mob was basically the result of a bunch of guys posting career-best years and then either getting rewarded for it with a promotion (Siakam) or reverting back to what they were beforehand (Wright, VanVleet) or worse (Miles) or with no track record to baseline from (Anunoby). Or getting traded (Poeltl) or shuffled around (the starting 5 merry-go-round of Ibaka/Valanciunas/Gasol which prevents any sort of chemistry or understanding from being built) It was a perfect storm of factors that all came together at the right time, and now we're seeing what happens when all the cogs and gears don't line up flawlessly.

 

[Suntouchable13]

The unfortunate thing is that Delon was part of the problem this season while he was still a Raptor. I clung to hope with him as long as I could, but his 3pt shooting was in the tank, his regular FG% was on the low side of his career norms, and none of his other stats were taking a step forward. And he was doing it with a usage rate he hadn't seen since his rookie year. It's good if he's doing better with Memphis (though honestly the stat lines don't show it so far. His shooting is worse from deep and the only thing he's doing better is defensive rebounding), but he wasn't helping the Raptors with their problems while he was here and I don't suspect he would be doing it now if he still was. The team basically has to hope that Lin gets his shooting out of the dumpster at this point.

by most advanced metrics (PER, Win Shares, BPM, VORP) this might have been his worst season as a Raptor. Or at the very least it wasn't a marked improvement on what he was as a rookie and was a downgrade from what he was last year.

I was going to comment on this on the Athletic piece about Houston dismantling the Raptors bench and that showing the problem, but the reality is that the Bench Mob was basically the result of a bunch of guys posting career-best years and then either getting rewarded for it with a promotion (Siakam) or reverting back to what they were beforehand (Wright, VanVleet) or worse (Miles) or with no track record to baseline from (Anunoby). Or getting traded (Poeltl) or shuffled around (the starting 5 merry-go-round of Ibaka/Valanciunas/Gasol which prevents any sort of chemistry or understanding from being built) It was a perfect storm of factors that all came together at the right time, and now we're seeing what happens when all the cogs and gears don't line up flawlessly.

OG is a really good piece. He just needs to take example from Siakam. There is no doubt that OG can be an excellent player in this league. He has the tools.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Triple Double for KL7

 

[Eyedea]

OG is a really good piece. He just needs to take example from Siakam. There is no doubt that OG can be an excellent player in this league. He has the tools.

From the most recent episode on Open Gym (interview at AS weekend) you can tell he isn't satisfied with his game thus far and knows he can take it to another level.

 

[Ball4Lyfe]

Hi all, don't know if this is the right place for this but I have 2 single tickets, one behind another for the last game of the year vs Heat for sale, Sec 305 Row 3/4, Seat 7. $275 for both, saves some of the TM fees...e-transfer or paypal are good. Let me know if there's anyone interested.

 

[stickty111]

 

[Cor]

This is awesome, because you can see Kawhi go from the quiet star that no one was sure if he wanted or cared to be here, to this vocal and visible leader.

Most NBA guys fall in love with Toronto as they are here. Hopefully Kawhi falls in love with us enough to stick around.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I think it's fun tracking who we will be facing in the 1st round. Brooklyn right now is in 7th, but take a look at their schedule. It's f***ing brutal. I don't think they will be able to hang on. I think Detroit will probably hang on to 6th. So 7th place will probably come down to Hornets, Heat or Magic. I think we'll face one of these 3 teams, unless Brooklyn survives this schedule. Not that it matters, Raps will beat any of those teams, but I think it's just fun keeping track. At least for me.

 

[AllDay28]

wait til Kawhi sees Trinity Bellwoods when the weathers a little warmer.