Blue Jays Discussion: Upton Jr acquired, also Storen & cash for Benoit

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[Man Bear Pig]

Storen sucked, Benoit sucks...someone turn down the suck knob

 

[Hurt]

Commas do wonders.

 

[hallhopkinseberle]

Storen sucked, Benoit sucks...someone turn down the suck knob

Benoit adds experience to our bullpen at least.Also had a good season last season but was in the nl.

 

[Eyedea]

Thing about Benoit is that he hasn't really lost any velo this season (aside from a 2mph dip in his slider). His change up was always seen as one of the most dominant pitches in the game.

 

[Dr.Funk]

Change of scenery worked for Grilli, hopefully it works or Benoit aswell.

 

[MJ65]

What Joaquin Benoit is going to do? trade for the sake of trading - meh

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Benoit adds experience to our bullpen at least.Also had a good season last season but was in the nl.

What good is experience if you aren't even good enough to pitch in the majors anymore? Storen has plenty of experience.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Love the Benoit pickup. Could be another Grilli and it's nice to have another veteran back there.

This is the kind of minor move that can really pay off down the stretch.

 

[Del Preston]

Has anyone else noticed how unbalanced the Red Sox schedule has been so far? 58 home games, only 40 on the road.

 

[Discoverer]

What good is experience if you aren't even good enough to pitch in the majors anymore? Storen has plenty of experience.

Grilli wasn't good enough to pitch in the majors anymore before he was acquired, either.

 

[Woodman19]

Thing about Benoit is that he hasn't really lost any velo this season (aside from a 2mph dip in his slider). His change up was always seen as one of the most dominant pitches in the game.

Exactly. We swap out Storen who isn't as effective without his velocity for another reliever who simply isn't effective but still has his velocity. No risk and potentially a reward (like Grilli).

Just need to give him low leverage innings and see what we got. No reason we cant go fix that in August if it doesn't work out.

 

[Eyedea]

Has anyone else noticed how unbalanced the Red Sox schedule has been so far? 58 home games, only 40 on the road.

They have an 11 game west coast trip coming up after this Tigers series. They'll come home for a couple of series, then be gone for 11 games again.

 

[Scrub*]

Storen sucked, Benoit sucks...someone turn down the suck knob

Benoit has been a fine reliever over his career, he's another Grilli , just because he had a rough 24 innings this year doesn't mean he's done.

 

[Bad News Benning]

What good is experience if you aren't even good enough to pitch in the majors anymore? Storen has plenty of experience.

People said the same about Grilli when we acquired him.

This is a guy who has proven year after year that he is a dependable pen arm. Most of his issues stem from walks well outside his career rate. Stuff is still pretty good he just needs to make a few adjustments to bump that walk rate back to normal. K rate is good, H/9 is still good.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I'd bet the cash considerations in there is probably us paying them the difference in salary(380k), so basically each team getting different relievers for the same cost.

But the Nats already paid us some money for Storen in that deal

So that's 3 teams paying Storen now

 

[frost king]

Who do they move off of the 25 man roster for Benoit?

 

[Swervin81]

Coming home from the game right now.

Literally dead. Holy ****ity ****

 

[Bad News Benning]

They have an 11 game west coast trip coming up after this Tigers series. They'll come home for a couple of series, then be gone for 11 games again.

****** part for them is that they don't really have many days off for a while. All that travel and lack of off days is eventually going to wear them down.

 

[Bad News Benning]

I'd bet the cash considerations in there is probably us paying them the difference in salary(380k), so basically each team getting different relievers for the same cost.

But the Nats already paid us some money for Storen in that deal

So that's 3 teams paying Storen now

Storen is the next Bonilla.

 

[Bad News Benning]

Who do they move off of the 25 man roster for Benoit?

Tepera, Schultz, Morales, pick your poison.

Might see Chavez moved as part of a deal for another pitcher.

 

[Longshot]

Gibbons on now.

For those complaining about Chavez being in there: Grilli wasn't available.

They were down to Schultz and Morales, with the pitcher hitting third the following inning.

 

[Man Bear Pig]

Grilli wasn't good enough to pitch in the majors anymore before he was acquired, either.

Benoit has been a fine reliever over his career, he's another Grilli , just because he had a rough 24 innings this year doesn't mean he's done.

People said the same about Grilli when we acquired him.

This is a guy who has proven year after year that he is a dependable pen arm. Most of his issues stem from walks well outside his career rate. Stuff is still pretty good he just needs to make a few adjustments to bump that walk rate back to normal. K rate is good, H/9 is still good.

Relief pitchers tend to change from year-to-year, not within the season. For every Grilli, there's a dozen who don't bounce back in-season. I don't think anyone should bank on/believe Benoit suddenly figures it out in-season at his age. He's a 38 year old who's trending down.

 

[Longshot]

Tepera, Schultz, Morales, pick your poison.

Might see Chavez moved as part of a deal for another pitcher.

Tepera is already gone for Upton.

It will be Schultz.

 

[Longshot]

Relief pitchers tend to change from year-to-year, not within the season. For every Grilli, there's a dozen who don't bounce back in-season. I don't think anyone should bank on/believe Benoit suddenly figures it out in-season at his age. He's a 38 year old who's trending down.

Here are his stats:

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/b/benoijo01.shtml

I see a guy having a bad year. Yes, it's true, he might be "trending down," but this year is really the first sign of it. He's been pretty consistent for multiple years.