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Master Shake said:You hope. But there is a good chance they will end up suing and getting free agency.
If by good chance you mean less than 2%, then i agree with you.
Master Shake said:You hope. But there is a good chance they will end up suing and getting free agency.
"Clubs will retain the rights to all players as to who had rights at the time of the lockout," Daly said. "As it relates to NHL clubs, their rights to players are totally as defined by the collective bargaining process. No club is in danger of losing rights to a player due to the passage of time. The same is true with players eligible for the draft this year."Master Shake said:Theres a very good chance they will be re-entered into the draft or declared a free agent. Imo, theres a greater chance of either one of those options happening then the teams retaining the rights. The players rights will outweight the teams in any courtroom fight imo. Carter sign? If he hasnt, hes going back in draft or being made a free agent I would think.
Anyone have a list of who hasnt signed ?
mercury said:There is NOT a good chance this will happen. Almost every source indicates that some type of exception will be made for these players. And I am sure most U.S. courts would agree that the lack of a CBA is an extraordinary circumstance.
frank4president said:LMFAO! Knowing Liquid from another board, this has to be the most obviously edited post ever. He sounds gayer than a catholic boy scout. Awesome job by the moderators.
Anyone want to guess what it originally said instead of the smileys?
19bruins19 said:That post didn't make you sound much better....
John Flyers Fan said:IMG doesn't have any of the top unsigned prospects, their lawsuit is more about getting ready to try and do the same thing with their big RFA clients (Thornton, etc.) on July, 1.
mercury said:If, in this hypothetical world, teams lost their unsigned draft picks, I believe that guys like Carter and Richards would be free agents. I don't believe they'd go back into the draft.
pavel datsyuk said:how is it extraordinary?
Phaneuf, Stewart, and a few others were signed?
Why didn't any of the other teams lock up their players if they wanted them?
i bet thats what the courts will say, and the lawyers will argue.
NYR469 said:that is the best arguement IMG has imo. the lockout didn't sneak up on anyone and everyone knew that a lawsuit like this was possible if the season was lost. other teams were smart enough to lock up their players. why didn't the flyers just sign carter and richards last summer?? it wouldn't have cost them anything...did they do it because they were planning on signing them this summer under the lower rookie cap?
why didn't the flyers just sign carter and richards last summer?? it wouldn't have cost them anything...did they do it because they were planning on signing them this summer under the lower rookie cap?
BuppY said:My whole point is why would a guy like Carter want to sign for less than what Getzlaf or stewart or Dion signed for. under the CBA the NHL wants to lower the entry level salary. Why would Carter or Richards etc. want to sign for lets say $ 800,000, while guys like Getzlaf and Stewart make more money. Why does a team like Calgary get punished for paying Dion more than what the Flyers will pay Richards or Carter. If I'm one of Carter Richards or Fehr I would try to make sure I get the most money I can get. Even if I have to go to the courts and win my UFA rights. So I think it will all depend on whats the maximum Entry level Salary.
DARKSIDE said:When this subject comes up, which it has numerous times, the names that are always mentioned are Carter and Richards with good reason. However, are there any other top prospects in the same situation has these two, because I haven't heard of any other names but the Philly kid?
DARKSIDE said:When this subject comes up, which it has numerous times, the names that are always mentioned are Carter and Richards with good reason. However, are there any other top prospects in the same situation has these two, because I haven't heard of any other names but the Philly kid?
mydnyte said:when you enter into a contract under a CBA (being drafted), regardless of whether the CBA expires or not, all the clauses that were valid at the time of signing (or being drafted) are still valid until they expire (unless you are bought out)
therefore, all the players did need to be signed by June 1st. (year depending on draft year)
the players should be correct to assume they should be treated as UFA's depending on draft/age requirements ...and if they go to court, the ruling should be such.
...also the NHLPA has nothing at all to do with them as unsigned drafted players are not members until they sign a contract.
Coolburn said:I see the obvious names of Carter, Richards, & Fehr a bit here. But what about maybe some of the mid to late round picks that in the last 2 yrs have played much better than where they were originally drafted and it would probably benefit them to re-enter the draft, regardless of whether the team retains the rights to sign them. Guys like the above mentioned O'Sullivan. Or regardless of if he's leeching off Crosby or not but Dany Roussin would obviously be picked higher than the 7th round that he was originally (I would say 3rd or possibly late 2nd). I'm sure there are other examples like these 2.
Why wouldn't these players want to re-enter the draft even if the teams want to sign them? If I was Dany Roussin's agent, I would be suggesting that very thing instead of even worrying about whether to negotiate with the team.
MS said:Teams' rights to those players will be protected somehow when the new CBA is signed. Easy enough to have a clause added to give teams another year to sign those players. Whether these guys are UFAs or not isn't something that the NHLPA will really care too much about, and it's something a few owners (Ed Snider) will care a lot about, so they'll be protected with their current organizations some way or other.
I'd be absolutely shocked if they were allowed to become UFAs.
Ola said:I study law in Sweden, and our system is allot diffrent from the one in USA. But I have a really hard time seeing in any legaö system how a CBA could affect members not in it in a negative way. As of june 1st(or whatever date it is) these guys have the rights to become UFA/or reenter the draft. This is a situation where lawyers can challenge the system and I can't see how they can loose. They have a deal that says one thing, two other parts can't sign another deal later that affect that deal in a negative way.