I wonder if they are going to reinstate the other teams that got cut as well...was that not discrimination as well?? Everyone seems to forget that the teams that got cut affected more men than women...so I don't know how they could argue that the decision to cut those teams was discriminatory based on sex....unless those other sports aren't as important for some reason??
Look, I am glad they are getting their team back and wish it wasn't cut in the first place...but the whole case was, and continues to be, ridiculous to me. When other schools cut sports does it turn into this big of a deal??
Eight years? Goodness gracious.
Just out of curiosity, does Canada have any sort of equivalent of Title IX, which we have here in the U.S.?
No Title 9 in Canada. That is part of the issue that UNB fans really don't like to discuss, hockey in Canada is king but it certainly isn't queen. They argue that men's jai-alai and croquet were cancelled so all is equal. Sorry, it is not. Because women's hockey doesn't have 100 years of history in Fredericton it makes sense to cancel it..no it needs help and it needs to be fostered, not cut.
No. If they want equality have more non-athletic scholarships. Because of the fact that fewer females play sports they could have true equality with a quarter of the athletes.I think women's sports teams fans in Canada should pressure Parliament in Ottawa to get some sort of Title IX equivalent into effect. Hopefully, things should be the same on both sides of the border. Yes, money is a issue, but women should have the same opportunity in Canada like they do in America.
No Title 9 in Canada. That is part of the issue that UNB fans really don't like to discuss, hockey in Canada is king but it certainly isn't queen. They argue that men's jai-alai and croquet were cancelled so all is equal. Sorry, it is not. Because women's hockey doesn't have 100 years of history in Fredericton it makes sense to cancel it..no it needs help and it needs to be fostered, not cut.
If you actually want equality, wouldn't you simply allow women to try out for the men's team?
And what about men who might be interested to play rugby? Would they be allowed to try out for UNB's women's rugby team since there's no men's team?
Who knows? I just always hate when I see things sold as "equality" when they really aren't.
Earlier STUTommies said; " it needs help and it needs to be fostered, not cut". My first question would be "Why?" followed by "To what end?" and "At what or whose expense"?
I have many years of university, some of which was at UNB. My brother in law captained the Tommies. One thing I know is that fees get passed on to students. So please explain to me, if I was a student, why I should pay more so 20 people can play a non-profitable sport at a varsity level. What do I get out of it? Why do they need to play varsity? What does it achieve? Why should I have to add to my $50,000 in debt for 20 people to chase a rubber disk while I am chasing an education and a life? UNB once had a question they asked their student body: "would you be willing to pay $10 extra on your tuition to allow UNB to bring back the Red Bombers football team"? The answer was a resounding "no" and the team was never brought back. If students overwhelmingly won't cough up $10, why should they be forced to pay for this?
I agree. And, I mean, there's profitable and there's "profitable". Even if UNB's men's hockey team doesn't directly turn a profit, it's still beneficial to the school. Having a nationally ranked program brings exposure to the school. Tune into the CIS championships on Sportsnet in a few week, and you'll see the UNB team out there in their red and black. It's a selling point.
It's like the reason many people question how the Tommies' men's team can keep going. They only win a few games a year, they get no attendance... at some point, STU has to look at it and go "why are we sinking money into this program?"
They argue that men's jai-alai and croquet were cancelled so all is equal. Sorry, it is not.
Who knows? I just always hate when I see things sold as "equality" when they really aren't.
Earlier STUTommies said; " it needs help and it needs to be fostered, not cut". My first question would be "Why?" followed by "To what end?" and "At what or whose expense"?
I have many years of university, some of which was at UNB. My brother in law captained the Tommies. One thing I know is that fees get passed on to students. So please explain to me, if I was a student, why I should pay more so 20 people can play a non-profitable sport at a varsity level. What do I get out of it? Why do they need to play varsity? What does it achieve? Why should I have to add to my $50,000 in debt for 20 people to chase a rubber disk while I am chasing an education and a life? UNB once had a question they asked their student body: "would you be willing to pay $10 extra on your tuition to allow UNB to bring back the Red Bombers football team"? The answer was a resounding "no" and the team was never brought back. If students overwhelmingly won't cough up $10, why should they be forced to pay for this?
I think women's sports teams fans in Canada should pressure Parliament in Ottawa to get some sort of Title IX equivalent into effect. Hopefully, things should be the same on both sides of the border. Yes, money is a issue, but women should have the same opportunity in Canada like they do in America.
Do you guys really think that after spending close to a million dollars (hearsay) fighting this human rights complaint that UNB didn't argue at least some of the points you raise above?? I am sure they did and they lost. Just because our little back woods minds can't comprehend the concept of human rights doesn't mean that they shouldn't be observed. You have justified your arguments to your own satisfaction and good for you. I do the same thing sometimes.
It would hurt if STU cut men's hockey but we all know that it wouldn't be cut because it was men playing hockey. Pretty sure this ruling tells us that UNB cut women's hockey because women were playing it.
Do you guys really think that after spending close to a million dollars (hearsay) fighting this human rights complaint that UNB didn't argue at least some of the points you raise above?? I am sure they did and they lost. Just because our little back woods minds can't comprehend the concept of human rights doesn't mean that they shouldn't be observed. You have justified your arguments to your own satisfaction and good for you. I do the same thing sometimes.
It would hurt if STU cut men's hockey but we all know that it wouldn't be cut because it was men playing hockey. Pretty sure this ruling tells us that UNB cut women's hockey because women were playing it.
I would not read to much into them fighting human rights its as a rule its not what we think.
Human rights are moral principles or norms, that describe certain standards of human behavior, and are regularly protected as legal rights in municipal and international law. They are commonly understood as inalienable fundamental rights "to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being".
So what was trampled on by the original decision? The person pushing the claim stated: "The popularity of the team was undercut by a lack of funding," argued Letson in support of Bryson. The reality is it is the most expensive sport you can play and its popularity is proportional to its quality. I'd bet my next 10 year's salary that if the women's team had a run like the men's team has for 20 years, it still wouldn't draw close to the men's. Why? Quality. No matter how much money you sink in, the caliber of play will never be close. What's the "right" or "inherent entitlement" here? Again, if equality is the concern, there is a varsity team, you just have to be good enough to make it. If you aren't, well you don't play varsity.
One of the arguments made was
""The popularity of the team was undercut by a lack of funding," argued Letson in support of Bryson."
The elephant in the room would be the popularity is low because the caliber is low. I'm not arguing that to be mean. You could sink $500,000 into it and the caliber will remain similar to several other local Fredericton area teams and nowhere near that of the men's team.
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