Unauthorized video review results in a Penalty. Minny vs Van

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Brian Burke sounding off on the referees in the postgame show.

Weird play. Puck on the boards. 2 on 1 battle between Van's Gaudette and Gudbranson vs Minny's Parise.

Parise high sticks Gaudette but almost at the exact same time, Gudbranson high sticks Parise.

Ref calls a penalty on Parise. Bodreau and Minny complain that Van should get a penalty too. Ref asks the off-ice official for help because apparenlty he didnt know which Van player did it...off ice official calls the league who does a video review. A LENGTHY review takes place and a penalty is called on Gudbranson as well.

Ellior Freidman says he has never ever seen anything like that happen as penalty video reviews are unauthorized.

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[Cloned]

Refs making up things as they go? Colour me shocked...

 

[djdub]

Similar thing happened in oilers vs nashville game on the weekend. Although not reviewed.

Drai was highsticked pretty bad, the refs didnt immediatly make a call, play was whistled down shortly after because Larsson was hit in the face with a puck.

Oilers bench complained and then ref asked to see Drai's wound and ended up making a call.

This, while not the exact same, is not technically allowed either, no?

 

[Spawn]

Similar thing happened in oilers vs nashville game on the weekend. Although not reviewed.

Drai was highsticked pretty bad, the refs didnt immediatly make a call, play was whistled down shortly after because Larsson was hit in the face with a puck.

Oilers bench complained and then ref asked to see Drai's wound and ended up making a call.

This, while not the exact same, is not technically allowed either, no?

This may have been a case of a scenario where the linesmen saw the play happen. I believe they are allowed to indicate to the refs when they see a penalty where an injury occurs.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Brian Burke sounding off on the referees in the postgame show.

Weird play. Puck on the boards. 2 on 1 battle between Van's Gaudette and Gudbranson vs Minny's Parise.

Parise high sticks Gaudette but almost at the exact same time, Gudbranson high sticks Parise.

Ref calls a penalty on Parise. Bodreau and Minny complain that Van should get a penalty too. Ref asks the off-ice official for help because apparenlty he didnt know which Van player did it...off ice official calls the league who does a video review. A LENGTHY review takes place and a penalty is called on Gudbranson as well.

Ellior Freidman says he has never ever seen anything like that happen as penalty video reviews are unauthorized.

Seems like they made the right call after though, so who cares?

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

Seems like they made the right call after though, so who cares?

It took 10 minutes of delay and an ice referee made a call without actually seeing the play. Then used an unauthorized video review help from Toronto.

You dont see anytning wrong with that ?

Refs just making up their own rules as they go.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

This may have been a case of a scenario where the linesmen saw the play happen. I believe they are allowed to indicate to the refs when they see a penalty where an injury occurs.

NOP.

Referee went to the penalty box/scorekeeper area and told them to get Toronto to look at the video.

 

[Spawn]

NOP.

Referee went to the penalty box/scorekeeper area and told them to get Toronto to look at the video.

I was referring to the play in the quote I responded too. Didn't see the game tonight.

 

[Dr Robot]

Well as long as the refs only use MOST of the tools they easily have available to make the right calls rather than ALL of them, I guess it will be fine.

 

[DownGoesMcDavid]

I was referring to the play in the quote I responded too. Didn't see the game tonight.

My apologies.

 

[Spawn]

My apologies.

No problemo my post may not have been clear enough.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It took 10 minutes of delay and an ice referee made a call without actually seeing the play. Then used an unauthorized video review help from Toronto.

You dont see anytning wrong with that ?

Refs just making up their own rules as they go.

Ok, but did both high sticking incidents occur?

Why should one team benefit from a call and the other team not because they didn't see it?

 

[Hynh]

Similar thing happened in oilers vs nashville game on the weekend. Although not reviewed.

Drai was highsticked pretty bad, the refs didnt immediatly make a call, play was whistled down shortly after because Larsson was hit in the face with a puck.

Oilers bench complained and then ref asked to see Drai's wound and ended up making a call.

This, while not the exact same, is not technically allowed either, no?

That one was called mostly correctly.
Under section 32.4 "Reporting to referee"

The Linesman must stop play immediately and report to the
Referees when:
(xii)
When it is apparent that an injury has resulted
from a high
-stick that has gone undetected by
the Referees and requires the assessment of a
double-
minor penalty.

Play was stopped almost immediately and it did warrant a double minor. The question of when it became apparent that Draisaitl was cut by the stick is where the grey area is. The wording of the rules doesn't allow a linesman to stop the play otherwise.

 

[lawrence]

Seems like they made the right call after though, so who cares?

what do you mean "who cares" it's not authorized, this is not the NFL.

IF this is allowed this opens up a brand new flood gate of NHL coaches now always wanting justice and asking for reviews. They will literally say, the other night, you clowns missed a call but it was reviewed! do same thing mr.xxx ref! this will happen.

Why should one team benefit from a call and the other team not because they didn't see it?

because this stuff happens alot! Mis call right? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

 

[SotasicA]

It's a slippery slope. What if using this decision will now make another coach ask for a missed interference (not goalie) be reviewed?

 

[Elitersson]

I wouldn't mind refs using video review to make sure they get the right calls, if it's done consistently.

Literally one game prior, Roussel got a four minute high sticking double minor, when it was actually the Penguins player (dont remember who) high sticking his own teammate. Just brutal.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

what do you mean "who cares" it's not authorized, this is not the NFL.

IF this is allowed this opens up a brand new flood gate of NHL coaches now always wanting justice and asking for reviews. They will literally say, the other night, you clowns missed a call but it was reviewed! do same thing mr.xxx ref! this will happen.



because this stuff happens alot! Mis call right? HAPPENS ALL THE TIME.

Meh, maybe it should.

In this scenario, the refs looked at footage and made the proper call. If they can implement this quicker, then cool, less whiny people about "omg, so unfair, conspiracy yo!" type crap about missed calls.

 

[lawrence]

Meh, maybe it should.

In this scenario, the refs looked at footage and made the proper call. If they can implement this quicker, then cool, less whiny people about "omg, so unfair, conspiracy yo!" type crap about missed calls.

You don’t get it do you..

 

[Sniperberg]

Refs miss a call:

"Booo, refs suck!"

Refs utilize the tools they have at their disposal to make a correct call:

"Booo, refs suck!"


Talk about a 0-0-82 team

 

[lawrence]

I wouldn't mind refs using video review to make sure they get the right calls, if it's done consistently.

Literally one game prior, Roussel got a four minute high sticking double minor, when it was actually the Penguins player (dont remember who) high sticking his own teammate. Just brutal.

The nhl has not and never used video reviews for miss penalties or calls at the request of an opposing coach. This is actually the first time in nhl history such action has taken place. There is a time for video reviews, and this is not one of them.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

You don’t get it do you..

Seems more like you don't.

Refs missed one of two penalties, refs see review, refs do something that hasn't been done before but was the right move, penalized two players that were in violation.

OMG! ITS NOT RIGHT! THEY USED VIDEO...

Meh, they caught the other idiot doing the same thing, seems fair to me.

 

[lawrence]

Seems more like you don't.

Refs missed one of two penalties, refs see review, refs do something that hasn't been done before but was the right move, penalized two players that were in violation.

OMG! ITS NOT RIGHT! THEY USED VIDEO...

Meh, they caught the other idiot doing the same thing, seems fair to me.

AND THERE NOT SUPPOSE TO DO THAT!

Do you get it or not ??!!!

 

[Bedards Dad]

Seems like they made the right call after though, so who cares?

Seriously, we are now getting mad because they made the right call?

 

[Bedards Dad]

AND THERE NOT SUPPOSE TO DO THAT!

Do you get it or not ??!!!

I'm glad they did, now there is precedent.

 

[Spazkat]

I'm glad they did, now there is precedent.

Precedence doesn't really matter here.... it's not a courtroom. This is a rules issues so either it's allowed per the rule book and for some mysterious reason it was never implemented before, or its not. If it's not, then a formal rules change will need to be implemented to start including it.... not just precedence.