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GSP shoulda won in the first round
GSP shoulda won in the first round
I love GSP, but Hendricks won that fight. His strikes did way more damage, even if GSP did out hit him (and I'm not sure that is clear cut). Takedowns were about even, and Hendricks did more damage on top. Really can't see how they give it to GSP, unless it's that whole beating the champ conclusively thing, which is really starting to irritate me.
GSP shoulda won in the first round
What don't I see?
He let up when he was tapping so it's his own fault.. then he proceeded to get his ass kicked thoroughly and still somehow retained his title. UFC is a joke.
There is an incident where it looks like Hendricks taps.
I think Hendricks won however I can see the argument for giving GSP the fight.
The judges actually scored the fight perfectly within reason. Based on the stats GSP clearly won rounds 3 and 5 while Hendricks clearly won 2 and 4. Hendricks did more physical damage in rounds 2 and 4 which makes GSP look like **** at the end of the fight while Hendricks looked like he sat in a sauna.
What judges does tristar have pictures of? Whoever gave that fight to rory and gsp I thought was wrong, but the judging and criteria has been flawed for awhile and really needs re-evaluation but thats outside dana's control. Not nearly enough of the athletic commission scoring criteria favors damage...I miss pride yet.
I think that's the thing, damage counts...but its on a round-by-round basis.
If a fighter dishes a lot of damage on a guy in round 1 but ends up on his back being controlled and lightly beat on for the next 4 rounds, he gets the 1st round for the damage he's done and loses the next 4 for being controlled, neutralized, and dominated (note: not saying that was the case here, just making a point).
Well thats why I gave hendricks the 1st round, they both had a takedown as you mentioned, but to me hendricks landed the more damaging blows in round 1 which is why I gave him that round.
I also edited my post to add a few other points, I do agree with you generally, I was not shocked it would go to gsp, its not unusual i dont see fights the way judges do, and it wasnt exactly crystal clear, but i did think hendricks won rounds 1,2,4.
In pride the fight was scored as a whole, I personally preferred it, but I understand why the commission does a round by round basis.
When I discuss issues with damage importance in scoring criteria its more so due to how much emphasis the athletic comission puts on takedowns. A fighter can be hurt and attempts a desperate takedown and hold on for the rest of the round because he is hurt and can be awarded the round for the take down and octagon control despite the opposing fighter landing more damaging blows. Imo takedown points should only be awarded if you improve to a dominant position, attempt to finish, or land damaging blows. Some bjj fighters like jacare have no issue fighting from the guard, and they wont defend a takedown because they can easily submit you and its a strength. Not to mention if takedown is scored but the opposing fighter pops right back up, I dont see how it's useful to award the fighter a point.
I agree with the way you scored the fight and with your opinion on takedowns. That being said, I don't see this as a controversial decision at all...
GSP did a lot of damage to Hendricks' body with body kicks while Hendricks hit GSP in the face a lot, obviously. Hendricks actually landed a lot more leg kicks then GSP did.
Here's the fight metric: http://blog.fightmetric.com/2013/11...tml?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
GSP shoulda won in the first round
GSP shoulda won in the first round
Sure, why not.
I take it you're more of a casual fan and a large part of your interest in this sport is due largely in part because of the success of Canadians noticeably GSP and the 'Next One' in Rory Mac?
Honestly I had it 48-47 Hendricks too, but that was before I saw the actual stats. I can see why round 1 went to the Champ, and it will go to the Champ every time. Hendricks and White are just upset because Hendricks absolutely dominated 2 rounds and the significant strikes he landed were to St-Pierre's head as opposed to St-Pierre's significant strikes coming on Hendricks's body. I don't see how Dana White gave that 5th round to Hendricks either. Seems to me like a lot of people were just looking at GSP's face and saying "oh well Hendricks clearly won that fight." IMO it was much much much closer than it appeared if you score the fight on a round-by-round basis which is how MMA is scored, and that 1st round in any non-championship fight could be a pure coin toss. But in a championship fight, when the champion scores more significant strikes (by 1), loses total strikes by 1 insignificant strike, ties in take-downs, but scores more submission attempts/successful submission moves, the round should go to the champ. GSP won that fight legitimately.
GSP shoulda won in the first round
Honestly I had it 48-47 Hendricks too, but that was before I saw the actual stats. I can see why round 1 went to the Champ, and it will go to the Champ every time. Hendricks and White are just upset because Hendricks absolutely dominated 2 rounds and the significant strikes he landed were to St-Pierre's head as opposed to St-Pierre's significant strikes coming on Hendricks's body. I don't see how Dana White gave that 5th round to Hendricks either. Seems to me like a lot of people were just looking at GSP's face and saying "oh well Hendricks clearly won that fight." IMO it was much much much closer than it appeared if you score the fight on a round-by-round basis which is how MMA is scored, and that 1st round in any non-championship fight could be a pure coin toss. But in a championship fight, when the champion scores more significant strikes (by 1), loses total strikes by 1 insignificant strike, ties in take-downs, but scores more submission attempts/successful submission moves, the round should go to the champ. GSP won that fight legitimately.
Again though, please dont put so much stalk in those significant strike stats, and what they mean. I thought i made a good case above about those stats.
Its a controversial stat open for interpretation, and just looking at strike totals does not convey how much damage each strike does to the opponent, trust your eyes. That likely wont change your opinion on it, which is fine.
Also was not just dana and hendricks upset, most mma fighters thought hendricks won, condit especially.