Value of: UFA John Carlson. Does he walk or Caps will lock him up?

[hb12xchamps]

youre counting on no injuries all season then Gotcha, and youre wrong...

look at your roster see if you can find its flaw

How am I wrong buddy? I literally did exactly what you said couldn't be done. You can't admit it when you're wrong and you continue to make yourself look like the "dodo" that you've called every poster who has countered all of your points.

Go worry about the Islanders and locking up Tavares. He's about the only thing left that the Islanders have going for them besides Barzal

 

[72hockey guy]

How am I wrong buddy? I literally did exactly what you said couldn't be done. You can't admit it when you're wrong and you continue to make yourself look like the "dodo" that you've called every poster who has countered all of your points.

Go worry about the Islanders and locking up Tavares. He's about the only thing left that the Islanders have going for them besides Barzal

here it comes I proved you were wrong and now you try and trash the isles, good luck with your 22 man roster dodo, anyone with half a brain will tell you, youre crazy

you countered nothing other than you wont give Carlson what he wants and that you think a roster can go shorthanded all season and not have even a single injury

i'll leave it to others to explain why youre clueless

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Probably take at least 8 years $64 million for John Carlson to sign with Washington, And at least 7 years $56 million for any other team not named Washington. If not even more just depends a lot of teams will be willing to break the bank on Carlson.

 

[hb12xchamps]

here it comes I proved you were wrong and now you try and trash the isles, good luck with your 22 man roster dodo, anyone with half a brain will tell you, youre crazy

you countered nothing other than you wont give Carlson what he wants and that you think a roster can go shorthanded all season and not have even a single injury

i'll leave it to others to explain why youre clueless

Please show me where your "proof" is because I haven't seen any

You said we were going to lose Carlson in the offseason due to salary cap problems. I proved that point WRONG with my Armchair GM post that took me a whole 5 minutes. I'm sure a GM, assistant GM and a Salary Cap Specialist can come up with some creative ways to construct a better roster than my 5 minute attempt

You constantly say people are wrong regardless of any proof they can post, unless their username is um or txpd who apparently are you bffs

Edit:

i'll leave it to others to explain why youre clueless

Because you can't prove it yourself. You talk in circles and have no actual proof

 

[The Macho King]

He's going to get sooooooooooooo overpaid this summer.

 

[72hockey guy]

Please show me where your "proof" is because I haven't seen any

You said we were going to lose Carlson in the offseason due to salary cap problems. I proved that point WRONG with my Armchair GM post that took me a whole 5 minutes.

You constantly say people are wrong regardless of any proof they can post, unless their username is um or txpd who apparently are you bffs

no i didnt say you were going to lose him, I never did. I said it "would be problematic, and that your cap would be an issue" dont misquote me. you said it would be easy. your own cap friendly roster is the proof

your giving Carlson less than market value, playing Shorthanded all year, and not even expecting even 1 injury, or callup all season

thats my proof and UM and Txpd arent my best friends, but they are dealing in reality, which you clearly are not. others have told you the same but you just ignore them

tell me why do you think you can get by with just 22 players when like most NHL teams you needed 30 this year?

 

[Mike Hasselhoffman]

Interesting how nobody really mentions him in the Norris conversation, yet he’s got 61 points on the year as the #1D on a top playoff bound team...

 

[The Macho King]

I'm guessing Hedman will be a comparable in the salary negotiations which might actually help GMBM. Carlson should not be paid more than Hedman but the new Cap landscape all but assures Hedman will be underpaid relatively by the end of his deal and newfound capspace means FAs will make more than better players signed in past seasons, it's the nature of the thing.

Hedman was underpaid when he signed his new deal - he took a discount.

 

[The Macho King]

Interesting how nobody really mentions him in the Norris conversation, yet he’s got 61 points on the year as the #1D on a top playoff bound team...

That's because he's not the #1D. Niskanen is. And because he's somehow a -5. And he sucks at defense.

 

[hb12xchamps]

no i didnt say you were going to lose him, I never did. I said it "would be problematic, and that your cap would be an issue" dont misquote me. you said it would be easy. your own cap friendly roster is the proof

your giving Carlson less than market value, playing Shorthanded all year, and not even expecting even 1 injury, or callup all season

thats my proof and UM and Txpd arent my best friends, but they are dealing in reality, which you clearly are not. others have told you the same but you just ignore them

tell me why do you think you can get by with just 22 players when like most NHL teams you needed 30 this year?

Again, that was a 5 minute Armchair GM attempt. It's not the final roster for next year chief.

Who says Carlson is going to sign for 8 million? Reports out there are stating that number but that doesn't mean he actually signs for that amount.

There's also this magical thing called IR and reassignments and recalls that can happen over the course of year. Because, ya know, a team doesn't stick with the same roster that they use on opening night all year long

 

[72hockey guy]

Probably take at least 8 years $64 million for John Carlson to sign with Washington, And at least 7 years $56 million for any other team not named Washington. If not even more just depends a lot of teams will be willing to break the bank on Carlson.

Thats reasonable, but I actually think he'll sign for less. it really depends on if someone really blows him out of the water. My personal thought is NJ might since there is a need and he's from there, Shero has built a solid up and coming team, I can easily see them coming hard after him

I dont see the wings doing it though, Sorry. I expect them to be all in on trouba when the time comes though, gettig Carlson would impede that. Everything points to Trouba being Detroits ultimate target

 

[72hockey guy]

Again, that was a 5 minute Armchair GM attempt. It's not the final roster for next year chief.

Who says Carlson is going to sign for 8 million? Reports out there are stating that number but that doesn't mean he actually signs for that amount.

There's also this magical thing called IR and reassignments and recalls that can happen over the course of year. Because, ya know, a team doesn't stick with the same roster that they use on opening night all year long

check your facts dodo unless it qualifies for LTIR you still have to pay players on IR, and there are very strict rules for what qualifies for an LTIR assignment..... thats the problem with your roster. that roster means you cant change your roster like at all. (unless the player qualifies for LTIR.

keep digging though, youre only getting in deeper

thats why Um and Txpd are smarter, they understand the rules, you however didnt.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Thats reasonable, but I actually think he'll sign for less. it really depends on if someone really blows him out of the water. My personal thought is NJ might since there is a need and he's from there, Shero has built a solid up and coming team, I can easily see them coming hard after him

I dont see the wings doing it though, Sorry. I expect them to be all in on trouba when the time comes though, gettig Carlson would impede that. Everything points to Trouba being Detroits ultimate target

I think the NJD would be the perfect landing spot for John Carlson totally agree with you there, Probably in the neighborhood of 7 years $56 million give or take maybe slightly less just depends on what he's seeking. And yeah i totally agree with you on Trouba and Detroit. Detroit will do every thing in their part to bring him home if he leaves Winnipeg. Detroit area kid original top 6 team new arena to entice him possibly adding Dahlin as well or a very good player in the draft. Yeah i really don't see Detroit being in on John Carlson. Oliver Ekman-Larsson in 2019 and Jacob Trouba in 2020 will be their targets.

 

[hb12xchamps]

check your facts dodo unless it qualifies for LTIR you still have to pay players on IR, and there are very strict rules for what qualifies for an LTIR assignment.....

keep digging though, youre only getting in deeper

No shit sherlock way to twist what I said AGAIN

Probably take at least 8 years $64 million for John Carlson to sign with Washington, And at least 7 years $56 million for any other team not named Washington. If not even more just depends a lot of teams will be willing to break the bank on Carlson.

Thats reasonable, but I actually think he'll sign for less.

Lets talk about this as well. Number1RedWingsFan52 says Carlson's average will be 8 million but you said you think he'll sign for less. Guess who had him signing for less?

Hypocrite much:

your giving Carlson less than market value

 

[hb12xchamps]

That's because he's not the #1D. Niskanen is. And because he's somehow a -5. And he sucks at defense.

I don't want to get into a pissing match but Niskanen hasn't been at the same level as he was last year

Carlson definitely has been the #1D this year, especially when Niskanen was out

 

[72hockey guy]

No **** sherlock way to twist what I said AGAIN



Lets talk about this as well. Number1RedWingsFan52 says Carlson's average will be 8 million but you said you think he'll sign for less. Guess who had him signing for less?


Hypocrite much:

im not being a hypocrite I was just pointing out the flaws in your roster. He could indeed sign for less, but I dont expect it to be in washington. I pretty much agree with Txpd's take of Green and Someone else like DeHaan. he's been right too many times in the years Ive known him, for me to question if he's thought this through. I know from past experience that he doesnt give opinions lightly.

Im the sae Id rather be wrong using logic than be right using wishful thinking

 

[One Winged Angel]

If they don't re-sign Carlson, they're screwed.

I wouldn't give him a blank check, but they're going to have to pay.

 

[Carlzner]

That's because he's not the #1D. Niskanen is. And because he's somehow a -5. And he sucks at defense.

Carlson is rock solid on the backend, not sure what you’re talking about.

All around he’s just not quite at the same level as a Karlsson or Doughty though. Which is why there’s no Norris talk.

 

[hb12xchamps]

im not being a hypocrite I was just pointing out the flaws in your roster. He could indeed sign for less, but I dont expect it to be in washington. I pretty much agree with Txpd's take of Green and Someone else like DeHaan. he's been right too many times in the years Ive known him, for me to question if he's thought this through. I know from past experience that he doesnt give opinions lightly.

Why on earth would he go to UFA to not get market value? If he's going to take less it would be for Washington. Maybe he takes less to go to Boston or NJ since he has ties to each place?

Going from Carlson to Green/DeHaan is a massive downgrade unless Green signs for well below his own market value. I still probably wouldn't do it after we heard Green has tacked on yet another injury to his already long list of ailments.

 

[CapitalsCupReality]

Caps will ultimately IMO offer $7.5x8....if he just wants out, or wants more, he’s gone. $8 per takes him past Kuzy. Man I don’t know....maybe the go that high....certainly not higher....

 

[Corby78]

Offseason - Armchair-GM - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

Looks like I just created a cap compliant team

Lol, how dare you use his own argument to crush his logic

 

[StephenPeat]

That's because he's not the #1D. Niskanen is. And because he's somehow a -5. And he sucks at defense.

Not this season. Niskanen's early season injury was a harbinger of a mediocre (by his standards) season. He's still a great 2/3 but not his usual self.

 

[The Red Line]

I like the guy, but whoever signs him will over pay significantly and probably add way too much term. This will be one of those awful contracts in a few years.

 

[SDBondra]

I bet BMac will start at $6.5m. JC will ask for $8m and they’ll settle at around $7m or a bit less. If JC really wants every penny he can get more on the open market but I doubt he can get 8. I have a feeling he would take a slight discount to stay in DC. No Cups but there are only a handful of perennial contenders in the league. Caps are one of them.

Real GMs don’t throw around $8+ million UFA contracts the same way Internet posters do.

 

[Devil Dancer]

Probably take at least 8 years $64 million for John Carlson to sign with Washington, And at least 7 years $56 million for any other team not named Washington. If not even more just depends a lot of teams will be willing to break the bank on Carlson.

If I'm reading this right you're saying the Caps would have to pay more than anyone else in the league to sign JC? Why?