Tuukka Rask sets all-time record for most wins by Leafs draft pick

[Highmarker]

Uhh I think you forgot a pretty big game there. When Bruins are on the brink of elimination he has a sub .900 save percentage.

As would most goalies i'd imagine. There is a reason why teams get eliminated, they usually get outplayed by the other team resulting in poor stats. Patrick Roy would have a sub .900 save percentage in elimination games i'm sure if one took the time to look it up.

 

[Trap Jesus]

As would most goalies i'd imagine. There is a reason why teams get eliminated, they usually get outplayed by the other team resulting in poor stats. Patrick Roy would have a sub .900 save percentage in elimination games i'm sure if one took the time to look it up.

It's games they CAN be eliminated in, not games they lose. Here's every active goalie's performance. Also, I've included Roy.

Patrick Roy - 24 GP (12-12): .926
W 1986 Whalers Game 7 - 1/25
L 1988 Bruins Game 5 - 4/28
L 1989 Flames Game 6 - 3/18
W 1990 Bruins Game 4 - 1/29
L 1990 Bruins Game 5 - 2/30
W 1991 Bruins Game 6 - 2/34
L 1991 Bruins Game 7 - 2/33
W 1992 Whalers Game 7 - 2/41
L 1992 Bruins Game 4 - 1/30
L 1994 Bruins Game 7 - 5/31
W 1997 Red Wings Game 5 - 0/32
L 1997 Red Wings Game 6 - 2/41
L 1998 Oilers Game 7 - 4/17
L 1999 Stars Game 7 - 4/25
W 2000 Stars Game 6 - 1/27
L 2000 Stars Game 7 - 3/29
W 2001 Kings Game 7 - 1/26
W 2001 Devils Game 6 - 0/24
W 2001 Devils Game 7 - 1/26
W 2002 Kings Game 7 - 0/23
W 2002 Sharks Game 6 - 1/22
W 2002 Sharks Game 7 - 0/27
L 2002 Red Wings Game 6 - 6/16 (pulled)
L 2003 Wild Game 7 - 3/30

Goalie	Games	In Relief	Wins	Losses	No Decision	Pulled	Save %
Lundqvist	27	0	16	11	0	0	.927
Crawford	18	0	13	5	0	0	.918
Fleury	16	0	7	9	0	1	.913
Holtby	14	0	8	6	0	0	.934
Quick	14	0	9	5	0	0	.930
Rinne	14	0	7	7	0	2	.918
Rask	12	0	6	6	0	0	.899
Howard	11	0	7	4	0	0	.934
Price	11	0	6	5	0	0	.926
Jones	10	0	6	4	0	0	.934
Miller	10	0	4	6	0	1	.895
Halak	8	0	6	2	0	0	.953
Anderson, C	8	0	3	5	0	0	.938
Luongo	8	0	3	5	0	0	.920
Niemi	7	1	2	4	1	0	.917
Elliott	7	1	2	3	2	1	.904
Andersen, F	7	0	2	5	0	0	.902
Ward	6	0	5	1	0	0	.935
Neuvirth	6	0	4	2	0	0	.920
Dubnyk	6	0	2	4	0	1	.870
Bobrovsky	6	0	1	5	0	0	.860
Bishop	5	0	3	2	0	0	.963
Murray	5	0	3	2	0	0	.931
Schneider	4	0	1	3	0	0	.945
Mrazek	4	0	2	2	0	0	.931
Varlamov	4	0	1	3	0	1	.865
Binnington	3	0	3	0	0	0	.965
Hellebucyk	3	0	1	2	0	0	.943
Reimer	3	0	2	1	0	0	.936
Smith	3	0	1	2	0	0	.924
Allen	3	0	1	2	0	1	.904
Gibson	3	0	1	2	0	1	.894
Vasilevskiy	3	0	0	3	0	0	.892
Kuemper	3	1	1	0	2	1	.864
Talbot	2	0	1	1	0	0	.954
Grubauer	2	0	1	1	0	0	.878
Greiss	2	1	0	1	1	0	.829
Budaj	2	1	0	1	1	0	.796
Raanta	1	1	0	0	1	0	1.000
Hutton	1	1	0	0	1	0	1.000
Johnson	1	1	0	1	0	0	.952
Stalock	1	1	0	0	1	0	.938
Saros	1	1	0	0	1	0	.875
McElhinney	1	0	0	1	0	0	.864
Bernier	1	0	0	1	0	0	.750
Lehner	1	0	0	1	0	1	.727

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Highmarker]

It's games they CAN be eliminated in, not games they lose. Here's every active goalie's performance. Also, I've included Roy.

Patrick Roy - 24 GP (12-12): .926
W 1986 Whalers Game 7 - 1/25
L 1988 Bruins Game 5 - 4/28
L 1989 Flames Game 6 - 3/18
W 1990 Bruins Game 4 - 1/29
L 1990 Bruins Game 5 - 2/30
W 1991 Bruins Game 6 - 2/34
L 1991 Bruins Game 7 - 2/33
W 1992 Whalers Game 7 - 2/41
L 1992 Bruins Game 4 - 1/30
L 1994 Bruins Game 7 - 5/31
W 1997 Red Wings Game 5 - 0/32
L 1997 Red Wings Game 6 - 2/41
L 1998 Oilers Game 7 - 4/17
L 1999 Stars Game 7 - 4/25
W 2000 Stars Game 6 - 1/27
L 2000 Stars Game 7 - 3/29
W 2001 Kings Game 7 - 1/26
W 2001 Devils Game 6 - 0/24
W 2001 Devils Game 7 - 1/26
W 2002 Kings Game 7 - 0/23
W 2002 Sharks Game 6 - 1/22
W 2002 Sharks Game 7 - 0/27
L 2002 Red Wings Game 6 - 6/16 (pulled)
L 2003 Wild Game 7 - 3/30

Goalie	Games	In Relief	Wins	Losses	No Decision	Pulled	Save %
Lundqvist	27	0	16	11	0	0	.927
Crawford	18	0	13	5	0	0	.918
Fleury	16	0	7	9	0	1	.913
Holtby	14	0	8	6	0	0	.934
Quick	14	0	9	5	0	0	.930
Rinne	14	0	7	7	0	2	.918
Rask	12	0	6	6	0	0	.899
Howard	11	0	7	4	0	0	.934
Price	11	0	6	5	0	0	.926
Jones	10	0	6	4	0	0	.934
Miller	10	0	4	6	0	1	.895
Halak	8	0	6	2	0	0	.953
Anderson, C	8	0	3	5	0	0	.938
Luongo	8	0	3	5	0	0	.920
Niemi	7	1	2	4	1	0	.917
Elliott	7	1	2	3	2	1	.904
Andersen, F	7	0	2	5	0	0	.902
Ward	6	0	5	1	0	0	.935
Neuvirth	6	0	4	2	0	0	.920
Dubnyk	6	0	2	4	0	1	.870
Bobrovsky	6	0	1	5	0	0	.860
Bishop	5	0	3	2	0	0	.963
Murray	5	0	3	2	0	0	.931
Schneider	4	0	1	3	0	0	.945
Mrazek	4	0	2	2	0	0	.931
Varlamov	4	0	1	3	0	1	.865
Binnington	3	0	3	0	0	0	.965
Hellebucyk	3	0	1	2	0	0	.943
Reimer	3	0	2	1	0	0	.936
Smith	3	0	1	2	0	0	.924
Allen	3	0	1	2	0	1	.904
Gibson	3	0	1	2	0	1	.894
Vasilevskiy	3	0	0	3	0	0	.892
Kuemper	3	1	1	0	2	1	.864
Talbot	2	0	1	1	0	0	.954
Grubauer	2	0	1	1	0	0	.878
Greiss	2	1	0	1	1	0	.829
Budaj	2	1	0	1	1	0	.796
Raanta	1	1	0	0	1	0	1.000
Hutton	1	1	0	0	1	0	1.000
Johnson	1	1	0	1	0	0	.952
Stalock	1	1	0	0	1	0	.938
Saros	1	1	0	0	1	0	.875
McElhinney	1	0	0	1	0	0	.864
Bernier	1	0	0	1	0	0	.750
Lehner	1	0	0	1	0	1	.727

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

6-6 in elimination games isn't so bad. Roy was 12-12. lot's of good goalies with poor stats in elimination games, lots of bad goalies with good numbers in elimination games. it's a meaningless stat. Basically the games you win you'll have great stats because your team probably played well and the games you lost you'll have bad stats because your team played poorly.

 

[pucksakes666]

I think the trade with devils in the early 90's stings more where they gave up a high draft that turned out to be scott neidermeyer.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean, he's sucked for like four years now and Andersen is better, so...

 

[Trap Jesus]

6-6 in elimination games isn't so bad. Roy was 12-12. lot's of good goalies with poor stats in elimination games, lots of bad goalies with good numbers in elimination games. it's a meaningless stat. Basically the games you win you'll have great stats because your team probably played well and the games you lost you'll have bad stats because your team played poorly.

All you can do is compare how they've performed and what they can control, wins/losses are just an aside. Bruins were down 4-1 against the Leafs in the 3rd period in 2013 in an elimination game, and Rask got a win for that game.

You literally referenced specific save percentages in elimination games and I've more than backed up my argument against that. Not sure what you're flipping to now.

 

[DickSmehlik]

13 years later and this trade still riles me up.

F U JFJ!

Don't forget that he also traded a first rounder for a washed up Vesa Toskala.

 

[Gardner McKay]

This is a legitimate thread. If you don't like the topic, I would suggest going elsewhere.

 

[Dr Pepper]

He consistently chokes in elimination games.

He's certainly been on the ice for a few choke jobs in elimination games, no doubt.......even won a couple of them, thanks to those very same Leafs.

The irony in this post gave me a decent chuckle, I must say.

 

[GeeoffBrown]

Has he set the record for playoff collapses yet as well?

I'm sure a goalie that actually played for the Leafs has a stranglehold on this one. Especially since Rask eliminates the Leafs every year?

 

[Alexei Yashvalev]

That's alright the Bruins have Halak's .953 sv% in 8 elimination games too.

 

[Craig Button]

the bum we traded him for was absolutely hot trash smothered in warm ****

I won't even say his name

Raycroft wasn’t the problem. The problem was we should’ve traded Pogge.

 

[Craig Button]

He consistently chokes in elimination games.

Are you talking about Andersen?
Because he chokes in all playoff games.
Not just elimination.

 

[Oilers Propagandist]

he wouldn't have gotten that mark on toronto. even the op should know that

Link please? He would have won them the cup.

 

[CanadienShark]

Uhh I think you forgot a pretty big game there. When Bruins are on the brink of elimination he has a sub .900 save percentage.

2010 Flyers Game 7 - 4/27
2013 Leafs Game 7 - 4/28
2013 Blackhawks Game 6 - 3/31
2014 Canadiens Game 7 - 3/18
2017 Senators Game 5 - 2/43
2017 Senators Game 6 - 3/29
2018 Leafs Game 7 - 4/24
2018 Lightning Game 5 - 2/21
2019 Leafs Game 6 - 2/24
2019 Leafs Game 7 - 1/33
2019 Blues Game 6 - 1/29
2019 Blues Game 7 - 4/20

12 GP: 33/327 = .899

I think that poster misunderstood "elimination game" as a game in which a team was eliminated rather than could be eliminated.

 

[Bonzo111]

Don't forget that he also traded a first rounder for a washed up Vesa Toskala.

Toskala is the worst Maple leaf of all time

 

[danpantz]

I mean, he's sucked for like four years now and Andersen is better, so...

Well he's out performed Andersen head to head the past two playoffs. What's your definition of better?

 

[Machinehead]

Well he's out performed Andersen head to head the past two playoffs. What's your definition of better?

First of all, no he hasn't.

2018, for sure. In 2019, the Leafs are out in 4 or 5 if Andersen doesn't stand on his head. Even in game 6, which they lost, he nearly stole the series in a game the Leafs were badly outplayed in.

And my definition of better is over 328 games, not 14.

 

[danpantz]

First of all, no he hasn't.

2018, for sure. In 2019, the Leafs are out in 4 or 5 if Andersen doesn't stand on his head. Even in game 6, which they lost, he nearly stole the series in a game the Leafs were badly outplayed in.

And my definition of better is over 328 games, not 14.

So the games that count the most don't matter as much?

Also Tuuka's GAA is lower in both seasons. Isn't the goal of a goalie to let in less goals?

 

[pie19]

Dan Bouchard has the most wins for a Bruins draft pick. A close 2nd is Ken Dryden.

 

[Machinehead]

So the games that count the most don't matter as much?

Yes the playoffs matter more, but the sample is garbage.

If you're talking about a guy like Justin Williams who has 155 playoff appearances, it's valid to say he's doing something different there.

Andersen isn't at that point, nor has he been bad in his small sample of playoff games.

The guy at the top of this list was GARBAGE in the playoffs until 2012:

Goalie	Games	In Relief	Wins	Losses	No Decision	Pulled	Save %
Lundqvist	27	0	16	11	0	0	.927
Crawford	18	0	13	5	0	0	.918
Fleury	16	0	7	9	0	1	.913
Holtby	14	0	8	6	0	0	.934
Quick	14	0	9	5	0	0	.930
Rinne	14	0	7	7	0	2	.918
Rask	12	0	6	6	0	0	.899
Howard	11	0	7	4	0	0	.934
Price	11	0	6	5	0	0	.926
Jones	10	0	6	4	0	0	.934
Miller	10	0	4	6	0	1	.895
Halak	8	0	6	2	0	0	.953
Anderson, C	8	0	3	5	0	0	.938
Luongo	8	0	3	5	0	0	.920
Niemi	7	1	2	4	1	0	.917
Elliott	7	1	2	3	2	1	.904
Andersen, F	7	0	2	5	0	0	.902
Ward	6	0	5	1	0	0	.935
Neuvirth	6	0	4	2	0	0	.920
Dubnyk	6	0	2	4	0	1	.870
Bobrovsky	6	0	1	5	0	0	.860
Bishop	5	0	3	2	0	0	.963
Murray	5	0	3	2	0	0	.931
Schneider	4	0	1	3	0	0	.945
Mrazek	4	0	2	2	0	0	.931
Varlamov	4	0	1	3	0	1	.865
Binnington	3	0	3	0	0	0	.965
Hellebucyk	3	0	1	2	0	0	.943
Reimer	3	0	2	1	0	0	.936
Smith	3	0	1	2	0	0	.924
Allen	3	0	1	2	0	1	.904
Gibson	3	0	1	2	0	1	.894
Vasilevskiy	3	0	0	3	0	0	.892
Kuemper	3	1	1	0	2	1	.864
Talbot	2	0	1	1	0	0	.954
Grubauer	2	0	1	1	0	0	.878
Greiss	2	1	0	1	1	0	.829
Budaj	2	1	0	1	1	0	.796
Raanta	1	1	0	0	1	0	1.000
Hutton	1	1	0	0	1	0	1.000
Johnson	1	1	0	1	0	0	.952
Stalock	1	1	0	0	1	0	.938
Saros	1	1	0	0	1	0	.875
McElhinney	1	0	0	1	0	0	.864
Bernier	1	0	0	1	0	0	.750
Lehner	1	0	0	1	0	1	.727

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Also Tuuka's GAA is lower in both seasons. Isn't the goal of a goalie to let in less goals?

This is a gross oversimplification and you know it.

You're comparing the gold standard of defensive hockey since the lockout to a poor defensive team and putting everything on the goaltenders.

 

[razkaz]

So the games that count the most don't matter as much?

Also Tuuka's GAA is lower in both seasons. Isn't the goal of a goalie to let in less goals?

Let me make sure I have my ducks in order.

Sample size of 4 full regular seasons do not matter because it's not the playoffs.
Sample size of 14 playoff games is the be all end all since the games matter the most.

So according to your logic, you think Jake Guentzel is a much better player than Connor McDavid based on their stats in the 2016-2017 playoffs.

 

[Paris in Flames]

So the games that count the most don't matter as much?

Also Tuuka's GAA is lower in both seasons. Isn't the goal of a goalie to let in less goals?

You can't think that's legitimate.

If a goalie were to allow 2 goals on 14 shots his GAA is still only 2 but a pitiful save percentage. If a goalie allows 3 goals on 37 his GAA is higher but clearly a much better goaltending performance.

 

[danpantz]

Let me make sure I have my ducks in order.

Sample size of 4 full regular seasons do not matter because it's not the playoffs.
Sample size of 14 playoff games is the be all end all since the games matter the most.

So according to your logic, you think Jake Guentzel is a much better player than Connor McDavid based on their stats in the 2016-2017 playoffs.

Yes the playoffs matter more, but the sample is garbage.

If you're talking about a guy like Justin Williams who has 155 playoff appearances, it's valid to say he's doing something different there.

Andersen isn't at that point, nor has he been bad in his small sample of playoff games.

The guy at the top of this list was GARBAGE in the playoffs until 2012:





This is a gross oversimplification and you know it.

You're comparing the gold standard of defensive hockey since the lockout to a poor defensive team and putting everything on the goaltenders.

Goalie A
Regular season last two years
.917 Sv% 2.36 GAA
.912 sv% 2.48 GAA
Playoffs
.903 sv% 2.88 GAA
.934 sv% 2.02 GAA

Goalie B
reg season
.918 sv% 2.81 GAA
.917 sv% 2.77 GAA
playoffs
.896 sv% 3.76 GAA
.922 sv% 2.75 GAA


Which one would you rather have

 

[tellermine]

Good pick from Leafs! Concra... Wait...