Tuukka Rask has the highest save% in the history of the game

[Saekk]

Funny how there is even discussion about the best goalie ever when Hasek has that spot quite easily.

 

[MessierII]

This is the golden age of goalie statistics.

 

[beowulf]

Funny how there is even discussion about the best goalie ever when Hasek has that spot quite easily.

There is a discussion because he doesn't. He was amazing but not at the level of Roy especially come playoff time.

 

[Cotton]

Funny how there is even discussion about the best goalie ever when Hasek has that spot quite easily.

Roy has more playoff wins than Hasek's played games in the post-season.

It's Roy easily.

 

[Howe Elbows 9]

Roy has more playoff wins than Hasek's played games in the post-season.

It's Roy easily.

Are playoff wins the only thing that matters? So Fuhr, Billy Smith and Belfour are in your top five list of goalies?

 

[Cotton]

Are playoff wins the only thing that matters? So Fuhr, Billy Smith and Belfour are in your top five list of goalies?

Are you arguing playoff success isn't more important than regular season success?

Now if your asking for people to pick the better player between two HOF level players you pick the one who was money on the biggest stage pretty regularly throughout his career. That this is shocking in any way to a few people is pretty telling about who's actually watched these players play.

 

[Legionnaire11]

Are you arguing playoff success isn't more important than regular season success?

Now if your asking for people to pick the better player between two HOF level players you pick the one who was money on the biggest stage pretty regularly throughout his career. That this is shocking in any way to a few people is pretty telling about who's actually watched these players play.

Actually it's the opposite, if you never watched the players play you would probably pick the one with the better resume on the big stage. However if you did watch them play, you might realize who the better player was. If you had to take one goalie on their best day to win one game, I think Hasek is the answer.

Don't confuse team success with the individual talent level. I agree that Roy is definitely neck and neck with Hasek, as is Brodeur and a few others. One of the problems with these arguments is when people use terms like "easily better" or "AINEC", because that implies one goalie is great and the other is not, or that there's a wide gap, when we're actually talking about a few millimeter's difference at the end of a marathon.

 

[teravaineSAROS]

Roy has more playoff wins than Hasek's played games in the post-season.

It's Roy easily.

Feels like that says more about the teams they played for.

 

[psycat]

There is a discussion because he doesn't. He was amazing but not at the level of Roy especially come playoff time.

Doesnt because he aint canadian*

This is the one case that makes it so obvious how biased hfboards/the hockeyworld is towards their own,not surprising and if you read a swedish board Forsberg is basically a demigod, but it also makes all kinds of polls and discussions on these forums just trivial at best.

Then again there are other kinds of bias at work aswell. Like the one towards the modern super-players ala Crosby(strangely Karlsson is nowhere close to as overrated ^^)

 

[DrJustice]

The lack of a solid backup has really hurt Rask the last couple of years. If they can get any sort of solid back-up play this year and Rask can play his normal amount of games, his stats will see a big improvement. Anyone who actually watches him play knows how talented the guy really is. He might not win another Vezina but he's for sure a top 10 goalie in terms of talent and overall ability.

 

[Price is Wright]

Roy has more playoff wins than Hasek's played games in the post-season.

It's Roy easily.

Hasek in 93-94 posted a .950 save percentage in the playoffs. The Sabres lost the series in 7.

Tell me more about how Roy was the better goalie due to team wins.

 

[Cotton]

Actually it's the opposite, if you never watched the players play you would probably pick the one with the better resume on the big stage. However if you did watch them play, you might realize who the better player was. If you had to take one goalie on their best day to win one game, I think Hasek is the answer.

Don't confuse team success with the individual talent level. I agree that Roy is definitely neck and neck with Hasek, as is Brodeur and a few others. One of the problems with these arguments is when people use terms like "easily better" or "AINEC", because that implies one goalie is great and the other is not, or that there's a wide gap, when we're actually talking about a few millimeter's difference at the end of a marathon.

But we aren't talking a few millimeters at the end of a marathon, we are talking a large gap. And if you've watched how on earth could you take, for example, Roy's 86' post season run and compare it to Hasek winning on Detroit in 02'. Now if you have indeed watched you'd know how different from each other those performances are and save the millimeters commentary. One was amazing in the regular season and one was amazing in the post season, so it then becomes which of those seasons are more valued and reflect upon a players greatness more... Which is an easy answer.

So let's look at his Cup in 02' (his other Cup he only played 4 games). He was on a Detroit team that was 51-17-10-4 and who's playoff squad included Brett Hull,
Shanahan, Fedorov, Luc Robitaille, Yzerman, Larionov, Holmstrom, Datsyuk, Draper, Lidstrom, Chelios. Hasek faced an average of 24 shots against and the finals vs Carolina the only game he faced 20 or more shots had 6 periods in it.

In 02' Detroit was 1st in the league, Hasek faced 24.4 SA/pGP - .920%

In 86' Montreal was 8th best in the league, Roy faced 25.3 SA/pGP - .923%

In 93' Montreal was 6th best in the league, Roy faced 32.3 SA/pGP - .929%

In 96' Colorado was 3rd best in the league, Roy faced 29.5 SA/pGP - .921%

In 01' Colorado was 1st in the league, Roy faced 27 SA/pGP - .934%

In each of Roy's Cup wins he faced more shots on average and put up better numbers, on three of those teams they were inferior than the one Hasek won on, and when Roy was on a 1st place team it was just the year prior to Hasek winning and Roy's numbers dwarf his on a similar caliber team.

But Vezina's and Hart's and such, which is valid, anyone wants to argue Hasek's better than Brodeur and I wouldn't say anything, Roy on the other hand was the Goat.

 

[GellMann]

It's objectively stupid to hold Roy above Hasek because of something largely influenced by the other 23 players controlling the game in front of them at all times, when comparing them as players of the position that Hasek was easily the most talented and best at out of every human to ever do it.

The Sabres would have been bottom 5 in some of Hasek's best seasons, including the season he pulled them to the SCF. Hasek on Roy's teams would have won cups every season.

 

[Cotton]

It's objectively stupid to hold Roy above Hasek because of something largely influenced by the other 23 players controlling the game in front of them at all times, when comparing them as players of the position that Hasek was easily the most talented and best at out of every human to ever do it.

The Sabres would have been bottom 5 in some of Hasek's best seasons, including the season he pulled them to the SCF. Hasek on Roy's teams would have won cups every season.

But you aren't objective, you are a biased Sabres fan.

Hasek would of won more Cups if he was capable of making timely saves in the post season regularly like Roy had, and not just the regular season.

Could even be argued Burke or Cechmanek rather than Hasek should of actually won the 01' Vezina.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

But you aren't objective, you are a biased Sabres fan.

Hasek would of won more Cups if he was capable of making timely saves in the post season regularly like Roy had, and not just the regular season.

Could even be argued Burke or Cechmanek rather than Hasek should of actually won the 01' Vezina.

.925%, 2.02 GAA for Hasek in the playoffs vs .918%, 2.30 GAA for Roy. Hasek's runs in 98 and 99 are better statistically than anything Roy has done in the postseason as well
They aren't even close in the regular season either

 

[Ryan Michaels]

Price actually got mentioned in the same breadth as Hasek after his Hart winning season by the media and posters many called him the best player in the league...never forget. I mean, Price is the best goalie in the league I will happily admit but best player in the league...when nine of the top 10 save percentages belong to contemporary goalies it just shows what an absolute joke the notion of the best player in the league today being a goalie always was.

 

[Cotton]

.925%, 2.02 GAA for Hasek in the playoffs vs .918%, 2.30 GAA for Roy. Hasek's runs in 98 and 99 are better statistically than anything Roy has done in the postseason as well
They aren't even close in the regular season either

Smaller sample size.
Opinion.
Yawn.

I'm sure Roy fills his Stanley Cups and drips all over his Conn Smythes with his tears because he didn't leave behind as awesome a regular season legacy as Hasek's.

 

[McFlyingV]

Hasek is the goat plain and simple. Roy is #2, but is often regarded as the goat due to playing in front of a much better team, a luxury Hasek didn't have for much of his career.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

Smaller sample size.
Opinion.
Yawn.

I'm sure Roy fills his Stanley Cups and drips all over his Conn Smythes with his tears because he didn't leave behind as awesome a regular season legacy as Hasek's.

I'm sure Justin Williams fills his Stanley Cups and drips all over his Conn Smythe with his tears because he didn't leave behind as awesome a regular season legacy as Ovechkin. Williams > Ovi

Only Hasek has won 2 cups and has outperformed Roy noticeably in the playoffs and heavily in the regular season. Better teammates aren't an argument for individual merit

 

[TopShelfYzerman]

Broduer is objectively the best goalie of all time. He has the most wins and the point of the game is to win.

Yes and the goal of hockey is to win the most championships and thats obviously Roy in terms of seasons played vs championships. Besides the 3 x Conn Smythe winner he was the biggest factor in those 4 championships.

 

[Tripod]

.925%, 2.02 GAA for Hasek in the playoffs vs .918%, 2.30 GAA for Roy. Hasek's runs in 98 and 99 are better statistically than anything Roy has done in the postseason as well
They aren't even close in the regular season either

You may look at only numbers, but others don't.

Patrick Roy in the 1993 playoffs was insane. In case you forgot, he won 10 straight OT games going 16-4.

I'm sure Justin Williams fills his Stanley Cups and drips all over his Conn Smythe with his tears because he didn't leave behind as awesome a regular season legacy as Ovechkin. Williams > Ovi

Only Hasek has won 2 cups and has outperformed Roy noticeably in the playoffs and heavily in the regular season. Better teammates aren't an argument for individual merit

Hasek win one of those Cups as a backup.....he played 4 playoff games and went 2-2 .888 SV% 2.91 GAA.

Roy has 3 Conne Smythe trophy's. How is that for playoff performances? Hasek has none.

Hasek also played until he was no good anymore. Roy was still a great goalie when he hung them up. He went 35-15-13 and .920 his last season. He could have added even more to his legacy. Or "pad" his stats.

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

You may look at only numbers, but others don't.

Patrick Roy in the 1993 playoffs was insane. In case you forgot, he won 10 straight OT games going 16-4.



Hasek win one of those Cups as a backup.....he played 4 playoff games and went 2-2 .888 SV% 2.91 GAA.

Roy has 3 Conne Smythe trophy's. How is that for playoff performances? Hasek has none.

Hasek also played until he was no good anymore. Roy was still a great goalie when he hung them up. He went 35-15-13 and .920 his last season. He could have added even more to his legacy. Or "pad" his stats.

Seems like you use numbers too. The reason you don't use more is they practically all favour Hasek. 6 Vezina trophies to 3. 2 Harts to 0. 5 season with a =/> .930 sv% to 0.

Your last argument also makes no sense, but whatever. Hasek was the more talented goalie. He absolutely dominated the competition. Roy was the goalie with better teammates

 

[VoluntaryDom]

LOL bish is #10

 

[Albatros]

In terms of skill alone Hašek was better than Roy, no question, but still I would have no problem choosing Roy ahead of him when nominating the greatest goalie in NHL history.

 

[wgknestrick]

1 1987 FI Tuukka Rask 395 2.24 0.923
2 1965 CZ Dominik Hašek 735 2.20 0.922
3 1986 US Cory Schneider 330 2.28 0.922
4 1989 CA Braden Holtby 307 2.31 0.922
5 1987 CA Carey Price 509 2.40 0.920
6 1974 US Tim Thomas 426 2.52 0.920
7 1988 RU Sergei Bobrovsky330 2.45 0.920
8 1982 SE Henrik Lundqvist742 2.32 0.920
9 1979 CA Roberto Luongo 966 2.50 0.919
10 1986 US Ben Bishop 270 2.32 0.919


So amazing, so good

http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/records/nhl-goalies-all-time-save-percentage-leaders.html

Amazing times we live in when we are witnessing 8 out 10 of the greatest goaltenders of all time play at the same time.

Would someone please fix this game, anyone?