TSN690: Brian Wilde on Subban

[Shaby23]

Some of us said that at the beginning of the season when Therrien was constantly blaming PK after every matches. MT has no clue on how to coach a superstar. Why Karlsson is allowed to play like PK but PK isn't?

 

[FloJack]

Except we don't get trolled by overlords.

We kind of do.

 

[General Fanager]

Some of us said that at the beginning of the season when Therrien was constantly blaming PK after every matches. MT has no clue on how to coach a superstar. Why Karlsson is allowed to play like PK but PK isn't?

umm 2 different coaches?

 

[Shaby23]

umm 2 different coaches?

So i guess we are stuck with the bad one?

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's struggled a bit since the Olympics. Lost his timing sitting and then the time change etc, going into a heavy schedule.

His drop in points is in large part because teams have taken him and Markov away on the PP. Until the forwards step up and burn teams down low it will continue.

Happened before the Olympics and a big part of it is also lack of a transition game from the forwards. Nobody is where they are supposed to be...

 

[deandebean]

Out of all the coaches PK has had I think Martin was truly the only one who let PK loose. He seemed to understand that the big hits and crafty moves made PK highly productive.

If you've ever talked to Jacques you would know that he wasn't one of PK's biggest ally. He HATED his locker room supposed antics.

 

[deandebean]

not to mention contract negotiations have been dead for 2 months.

Subban +/- went from +14 to +3 in the last 2 weeks.

Montreal pissing off their star player...typical Montreal.

It's been that way since Maurice Richard. People need to deal with it.

 

[deandebean]

Some of us said that at the beginning of the season when Therrien was constantly blaming PK after every matches. MT has no clue on how to coach a superstar. Why Karlsson is allowed to play like PK but PK isn't?

Karlsson got benched too.

 

[Teufelsdreck]

It's been iterated and reiterated that the stringent requirement for a francophone coach can be an impediment. I suppose we'll have to wait for someone gifted with a serendipitous combination of fluency in French, understanding of hockey, and ability to elicit the best from 20+ athletes. I hope that this paragon is discovered while I'm still alive. It's sad to say that we have a pretender usurping his rightful place.

 

[JuniorNelson]

not to mention contract negotiations have been dead for 2 months.

Subban +/- went from +14 to +3 in the last 2 weeks.

Montreal pissing off their star player...typical Montreal.

Is there any sense that an offer sheet might be coming, or that Montreal trades Subban's rights?

 

[General Fanager]

Is there any sense that an offer sheet might be coming, or that Montreal trades Subban's rights?

I doubt it, other teams know that The Habs have the money and the cap room to match any offer. they wouldnt waste their time..

 

[Price is Wright]

Is there any sense that an offer sheet might be coming, or that Montreal trades Subban's rights?

There are teams out there who think Montreal is too easy on Subban.

 

[Jesse Alexander]

we need Guy Boucher. It would be a godsend for our most gifted player and most of our youngsters.

After the Habs get bounced in the 1st round he will be hired.

 

[Canadian_Brewtality]

anything Brian Wilde says is an automatic from me

People saying Subban is losing his "personality" are confusing it with trying to be a better overall playing. He cant rush the puck every shift or take high end chances.

And he had 6 points in 6 games before the SJ game. Lets take a breather

 

[JLP]

MT seems scared of skill players and prefers his little underdogs.

 

[Blind Gardien]

Is there any sense that an offer sheet might be coming, or that Montreal trades Subban's rights?

If I was in Subban's shoes, I'd be looking for offer sheets. If another team offers more than the Habs will, sign it. Pure mercenary attitude to the Habs from here on out. I'd take a hard hard line in any contract negotiations leading up to that as well, so for sure, the Habs might feel inclined from that to pursue trades before it even gets that far.

 

[Blind Gardien]

There are teams out there who think Montreal is too easy on Subban.

Which "teams"? (And how does a team think?)

 

[Adriatic]

Such paranoia. Karlsson has been benched on more than one occasion by his coach. Subban getting less points represents his transition in becoming a better and more complete defenseman that can be trusted in any situation at any time. And those transitions are not always smooth, it takes time to become a great all-around defenseman. People who think MT is being hard on Therrien have no clue. There alot of NHL coaches that would be alot tougher on Subban than MT. How many players or even defensemen spend virtually the whole power play on the ice. Other than Ovechkin I don't think there is one player in the league that average more pp time than Subban. But on this board any reason to excuse PK's dumb plays is a good one other than blaming the the player himself.

 

[odishabs]

I have a funny feeling that they're treating PK this way to bring down his contract demands. Also, the last time somebody was treated like this was Drew Doughty, he turned out to be twice the defensman...peace

 

[Blind Gardien]

Such paranoia. Karlsson has been benched on more than one occasion by his coach. Subban getting less points represents his transition in becoming a better and more complete defenseman that can be trusted in any situation at any time.

? Subban is not trusted in any situation at any time. He's much less of a complete defenseman than he has ever been in the NHL before. How is that a positive transition?

 

[Whitesnake]

Some of us said that at the beginning of the season when Therrien was constantly blaming PK after every matches. MT has no clue on how to coach a superstar. Why Karlsson is allowed to play like PK but PK isn't?

It's going so well in Ottawa right now. Not sure that's a model we should be using. Karlsson and his -15 being average defensively to stay polite....

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

If I was in Subban's shoes, I'd be looking for offer sheets. If another team offers more than the Habs will, sign it. Pure mercenary attitude to the Habs from here on out. I'd take a hard hard line in any contract negotiations leading up to that as well, so for sure, the Habs might feel inclined from that to pursue trades before it even gets that far.

Still shocked that he signed for what he did last time...

 

[WhiskeySeven*]

If I was in Subban's shoes, I'd be looking for offer sheets. If another team offers more than the Habs will, sign it. Pure mercenary attitude to the Habs from here on out. I'd take a hard hard line in any contract negotiations leading up to that as well, so for sure, the Habs might feel inclined from that to pursue trades before it even gets that far.

It's such an infuriatingly possible scenario. God damn Bergevin and Therrien.

 

[overlords]

Brian will flip flop in a few weeks or so. No big deal.

 

[Strat]

Price started off well until his coaching caused a style drift that didn't feel comfortable for him as you saw him struggle. Once he went back to his own style (this year) the difference is obvious.

Really? You won't even acknowledge the presence or give tremendous kudos on the goaltender coach who has implemented many huge changes to Price's game?

Wow.