I was listening to TSN 690 this morning and Brian Wilde was discussing Subban. He stated that he thinks Subban is being over coached and that his instincts are being taken away. He now looks scared to rush up the ice and to take risks like he used to. All in all, I think this is a right assessment and personally am bored watching him on most nights now. Would like to hear everyone's thoughts on this.
TSN690: Brian Wilde on Subban
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Grate n Colorful Oz
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we need Guy Boucher. It would be a godsend for our most gifted player and most of our youngsters.
Sterling Archer
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I see a strong similarity with what PK is going through that Price went through.
Price started off well until his coaching caused a style drift that didn't feel comfortable for him as you saw him struggle. Once he went back to his own style (this year) the difference is obvious.
PK needs to be let go and coached within a framework, not a leash. He's going to make mistakes but can't be punished so severely for them if there's any hope of seeing him develop. Looking at Doughty, Karlsson etc, they were given the opportunity to make mistake because their upside was so high. PK is not being offorded the same and it shows in his play and production. It's really slipped off. hard to blame anyone else but the coach as he's clearly not playing his style or given the opportunity he needs to succeed. I'm frustrated for the kid.
sheed36
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That's pretty much what people here have been saying about Subban's game all season. I can't be the only one here who misses watching Subban lay out those huge hits like he did in the past that we haven't seen at all this year.
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hototogisu
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Brian Wilde: HF's mouthpiece.
I'm guessing he also went on to say Therrien should be fired, Eller should be tried with Pacioretty, and we should look into trading for Patrick Bordeleau.
I'm guessing he also went on to say Therrien should be fired, Eller should be tried with Pacioretty, and we should look into trading for Patrick Bordeleau.
donghabs98
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Out of all the coaches PK has had I think Martin was truly the only one who let PK loose. He seemed to understand that the big hits and crafty moves made PK highly productive.
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I think it would be a mistake personally, his coaching and defensive minded hockey is exactly what we don't need
Fozz
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Didn't you notice our boring the Lightning were when Boucher was coaching there?
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Grate n Colorful Oz
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It's a form of trap that can be highly productive when you have gifted offensive d-man, because it sets the trap up just over the D blue line.
It would suit the habs well actually.
waffledave
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Agree bigtime with Wilde here, and I'd add that the same thing is happening with Eller. He looks lost now, no confidence whatsoever. Last season he was rushing up the ice too.
I agree in part with what Wilde is saying...
Yes Subban should be encouraged to play with his insitincts, but there's a very fine line. There's a balance that, IMO, he hasn't quite mastered yet.
He still has to figure out how to be himself, within the team's structure...for the most part, he does a good job of this but sometimes, he doesn't.
Yes Subban should be encouraged to play with his insitincts, but there's a very fine line. There's a balance that, IMO, he hasn't quite mastered yet.
He still has to figure out how to be himself, within the team's structure...for the most part, he does a good job of this but sometimes, he doesn't.
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Therrien played his part with eller... but most of the blame falls on the dane himself. He has the skills to come out of this funk, but he just seems too down on himself.
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They weren't. One terribly silly tactical response in one game AWAY from home against the Flyers does not make a coach's entire Å“uvre.
They had the lead, it was up to the Flyers to come back and try to score, they didn't - too bad.
Grate n Colorful Oz
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Their blue line consisted of an overwhelmed Hedman and specialty players. Boucher's trap gives blue line breakouts, and is most effective with good centermen and especially offensive dmen. And Boucher's good with young talent and didnt seem to have problems with the vets in TB.
TB had no business going to the ECF in Boucher's rookie year.
Lafleurs Guy
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Some of the blame obviously falls on Eller but MT has done everything in his power to make the guy fail.
Intentionally? No. But his whole "tough love" approach doesn't work with every player and he hasn't shown the ability to adapt to different players. All we've seen with him is unjustified favouritism and it's come at the expense of play on the ice.
He's ruining Eller and he's not doing Subban any favours either.
I wouldn't say that he's over coaching Eller though. I think Therrien has had his center hierarchy before game 1 of last year.
DD was his offensive go-to guy, Plekanec was his defensive reliable guy, and Eller was a 3rd line project that entered a make or break year.
It's how he's built his line since day 1, I remember him agreeing on AC with how RC was running the team, which is essentially the same way he's been doing it this year.
I think he's just prioritizing the other 2 centers and has little love for Eller. I don't think he's trying to dumb down Eller's game like he is with PK though.
That being said, Therrien is not a teacher. Never been. That's a big reason why I hated the move and didn't want him. To me, it makes 0 sense to bring in a coach that is just horrible regarding strategies, systems and teachings. It's the most important part of a coach imo. A good communicator and motivator? That were his selling points.
If a good communicator is someone that can't even string two good sentences together (in french and english might I add), then I seriously have to question the level of standard set. A motivator?? If I base myself on 24CH, my peewee coach used to give us the same crap speeches about playing with emotion, passion and being hungry.
No idea what you're trying to say here...
PK's biggest flaw was his timing. Whether it was for hits or rushes, we kept hearing about how he needs to learn to ''play with the clock'' and make better decisions.
This is something he'll figure out with experience. Let the guy play.
Hall Gill even said so himself. I'm paraphrasing but he said ''People need to stop trying to fix PK. You have to let PK be PK and live with it.''
Every time I hear people talk about PK needing to find balance and all that crap, I feel like they haven't watched some of supposed best Dmen in the NHL all that much, because every mistake PK has done, I've also seen them do, and just as often.
Everybody has things they can improve on. It doesn't make mean it's a problem though, and that's the biggest issue here. Whatever aspect PK needs to work on has been turned into a problem.
Odd you would say this since...
This is essentially capturing exactly what I said...
I think you're a tad sensitive when it comes to Subban (which is saying something coming from me). I agree 100% with what you're saying here, so not sure what the issue is.
DJ Breadman
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He is def not over coached if anything he doesn't listen to the coaches that's why he gets benched so much
Lafleurs Guy
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Other players can make as many mistakes as they want to with no consequences (and in some cases get even more icetime) but Subban - the defending Norris winner - deserves benching?
Yeah... okay.
