GDT: Training Camp 2016

[Claypool]

And yet, maybe if they didnt spend so long wallowing in minors, they would both be better players.

Nyquist spent two full seasons in the minors. Not exactly what I would call wallowing. Tatar spent four, but he joined the Griffins right after being drafted at 18, which rarely happens. I'm sure if Tatar was given top 6 minutes at 19 he might be a better player, but the team also likely would have finished lower in the standings. Either way, both players developed into exactly what the Red Wings were hoping they would.

 

[Obe2kenobe]

So AA-Larkin-Mantha together...

... does anyone know some info about other lines or D-pairings?

I was there Saturday. Miller-Glen-Ott seemed to be together in quite a few drills. Seemed like Ericcson was paired with Green. Other than that didn't notice. Hard to tell, scrimmages were 3 on3. 5 on 6.and 4 on 4. I thought Sproul looked good. He made some nice offensive plays.

 

[Henkka]

http://kuklaskorner.com/tmr/comments/rosters-announced-for-red-vs.-white-game

From here I could predict:

Zetterberg - Nielsen - Abdelkader, TOP line (not involved, injured + World Cup rest)
Athanasiou - Larkin - Mantha, offensive line 1 (Mantha goes to Grand Rapids for Tatar, after he returns)
Sheahan - Helm - Nyquist, offensive line 2
Miller - Glendening - Ott, cheking line

(Pulkkinen, Jurco, injured extras)

Borkowski - Street - Svechnikov (Griffins TOP line, Mantha replaces Borkowski later on)
Bertuzzi - Lorito - Frk (Griffins 2nd line)
Tangradi - Nosek - Callahan (Griffins 3rd line)
Sadowy - Turgeon - Nastasiuk/Criscuolo (Griffins 4th line)

G.Smith - Aubry - Campbell (Smith goes on juniors, others are AHL extras)

***

Detroit D:

DeKeyser - Smith, 2nd A pair
Kronwall - Marchenko (2nd B pair, injured + World Cup rest)
Ericsson - Green, 2nd C pair
Ouellet - Sproul (fighting for a spot)

Griffins D:

Lashoff - Russo
Paetsch - Jensen
Hicketts - Renouf

 

[Heaton]

You forgot Vanek, AA gets buried.

 

[Henkka]

You forgot Vanek, AA gets buried.

Nope, Miller/Ott goes to bench.

 

[Heaton]

Nope, Miller/Ott goes to bench.

To start the year? Nah. Not unless more players get injured. I guess we could see Z start on LTIR.

 

[Wood Stick]

Where's Tatar and I think Ott starts in the press box.

 

[sgupca]

Where's Tatar and I think Ott starts in the press box.

Tatar is at the Worlds.

 

[Ezekial]

Tatar is at the Worlds.

So is Nielsen, he listed him too.

Nothing tells me Ott is guaranteed a spot, his contract is structured as such for a reason.

 

[Frk It]

So is Nielsen, he listed him too.

Nothing tells me Ott is guaranteed a spot, his contract is structured as such for a reason.

Khan--

So a few things need to be sorted out, but you're correct in asserting veterans like Vanek and Ott are assured of jobs, at least at the start of the season.

http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index..._j.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Vladdy84]

Ott doesn't deserve a guaranteed spot.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I don't think Khan knows everything. The plan can also change a lot during camp. Let's just see how things play out. This thread should have more discussion about how things are actually going at camp and less speculation about what might be our day 1 lineup in a world where players don't surprise/underperform or get injured.

Really interesting that Smith and Dekeyser are playing together. Big opportunity for Smith to finally establish himself.
Ericsson supposedly looks good together with Green.
AA-Larkin-Mantha is interesting, I doubt it's something that we see day 1 but could be Blash testing it for future use?

 

[Frk It]

I don't think Khan knows everything. The plan can also change a lot during camp. Let's just see how things play out. This thread should have more discussion about how things are actually going at camp and less speculation about what might be our day 1 lineup in a world where players don't surprise/underperform or get injured.

Really interesting that Smith and Dekeyser are playing together. Big opportunity for Smith to finally establish himself.
Ericsson supposedly looks good together with Green.
AA-Larkin-Mantha is interesting, I doubt it's something that we see day 1 but could be Blash testing it for future use?

I like the idea of a Dekeyser-Smith pairing, and I can see how they complement each other, but I'm not sure that is something we should pull for because that would probably be our top pairing, no?

Curious to see how defense is going to be configured...

some ideas

Idea 1:

Dekeyser-Smith
Kronwall-Marchenko
Ericsson-Green


Idea 2:

Dekeyser-Green
Kronwall-Smith
Ericsson-Marchenko


Idea 3:

Dekeyser-Green
Smith-Marchenko
Kronwall-Ericsson


Idea 4 (radical, I know):

Dekeyser-Green
Kronwall-Sproul
Smith-Marchekno

 

[Heaton]

Since Blashill doesn't have all of his regulars I don't think you can read in to anything at camp. We'll know in a week and a half.

As for Ericsson he looks like he does every camp, not better or worse. It's easy to look better when you're pracyagainst AHL and ECHL talent.

 

[Winger98]

From Khan's article today:

I think we got a team that if we're going north, we're going to be better and we got a D-corps that can get up in the play and skate,

So Ericsson and Kronwall are out of the lineup?

 

[njx9]

I like the idea of a Dekeyser-Smith pairing, and I can see how they complement each other, but I'm not sure that is something we should pull for because that would probably be our top pairing, no?

Curious to see how defense is going to be configured...

some ideas

Idea 1:

Dekeyser-Smith
Kronwall-Marchenko
Ericsson-Green


Idea 2:

Dekeyser-Green
Kronwall-Smith
Ericsson-Marchenko


Idea 3:

Dekeyser-Green
Smith-Marchenko
Kronwall-Ericsson


Idea 4 (radical, I know):

Dekeyser-Green
Kronwall-Sproul
Smith-Marchekno

Of the likely options, I think 2 looks the most balanced. It keeps a solid defender with a better puck mover on two pairs, and then has a decent, low-minutes 3rd pair that can play more defensively. That said, I think the 4th option is clearly the best (sub Sproul with any of Sproul/XO/Russo), in terms of overall ability.

 

[Frk It]

From Khan's article today:



So Ericsson and Kronwall are out of the lineup?

Even with Kronwall's mobility down, his outlet passes are still better than just about anyone on the team.

Playing fast and moving the puck isn't all just skating fast.

 

[Ezekial]

Khan--


http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index..._j.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I think Vanek for sure is, but if I just don't see Ott being garbage and being handed a spot. I could be wrong, I'm also not going to take Khan's conjecture as gospel.

 

[Frk It]

I think Vanek for sure is, but if I just don't see Ott being garbage and being handed a spot. I could be wrong, I'm also not going to take Khan's conjecture as gospel.

Not sure I'd call it conjecture, he has a lot better idea than any of us do. But we'll see what happens.

 

[Winger98]

Even with Kronwall's mobility down, his outlet passes are still better than just about anyone on the team.

Playing fast and moving the puck isn't all just skating fast.

Blashill specifically mentions getting up in the play and skating, though. It seems more like he wants these guys pinching and stepping up in the neutral zone to try to stuff plays on the other side of center ice.

 

[Mr Jiggyfly]

Does anyone know if the Pens-Wings game will be streamed by the Wings tom?

I know Root sports in Pgh won't cover it, and from some quick research it looks like no local tv in Det will air it as well.

When this happens with the Pens for home games, sometimes the team will stream the games online. Any idea if the Wings are doing this?

Thx

 

[Z40]

So Ott injured Nosek already. Great start.

 

[HisNoodliness]

So Ott injured Nosek already. Great start.

Working his way onto a hockey team the only way he knows how...injuring the competition.

 

[Vladdy84]

So Ott injured Nosek already. Great start.

Nosek gonna get picked up off waivers?

 

[Ezekial]

Ott needs to eliminate any competition to fulfil his dream.