Yes,but they could be worse if the dumb gm and dumb owner had a plan to rebuild and tank for top 5 picks.....because they clearly are not trying to win.
Proposal: Trade Thread: Off-season edition 2
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Not really. He likely knows exactly what he’s doing but waiting at the very last second to mess with the Canes as much as he can.
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Even Eichel likely doesn't do it for us. It's September and he still hasn't received treatment for his neck injury (or even agreement regarding procedure). Not sure when he'll be playing again. Not sure if he'll ever be close to the same player when all is said and done.
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Fair for sure. Earliest would be Dec/Jan if he has surgery now. However, in Eichel's case, it was more about the future years potential. However, 4 years at $10M? I'm certainly not going to say no but can we win in those 4 years?
. Wouldn't that be the point of making a move like that? This is why Suzuki or Caufield can't be traded. If we can get it done with Romanov and two 1sts with other adds, do it. Who's going to get Eichel with the 4/1 package? No friggen ideaPersonally, this team should continue to keep it's eye on the prize which is prolonged draft power with shot after shot at getting a star through the draft. We already know our 3rd OA pick is not going to be a star. Maybe he is a good 2C when he is 23/24 but he's not a star. We have a better chance at getting a star with the Canes pick (10-25 range) than we do with KK. Even if the pick is 15-25 range. Small chance yes but KK will not be a star
The season to season strategy of improving the team but not mortgaging the future should be at play. If guys like Price and Gallagher get upset, let them. Our best strategy is prolonged high draft power and we already have a very good base to build on. Add a star and watch out!
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No- I was referring to the poster who offered Poehling and a 1st for Hertl - that isn't close to a fair offer imho.
I was offering a 1st and 3rd as a starting point with a good prospect +, i would actually prefer we keep Poehling - his value isn't all that high atm.
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Yes he would ! Hertl would become our best forward and he would give us a great 1-2 punch at C with him and Suzuki. He's more then a top 6 C, he's a #1 C (maybe not an franchise/elite one but he's still a #1)
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What if MB went on vacation and swore to not touch social media, the radio or TV so he doesn't know what's going on and all his flunkies are desperately trying to find out where he's at?
Fair for sure. Earliest would be Dec/Jan if he has surgery now. However, in Eichel's case, it was more about the future years potential. However, 4 years at $10M? I'm certainly not going to say no but can we win in those 4 years?
Personally, this team should continue to keep it's eye on the prize which is prolonged draft power with shot after shot at getting a star through the draft. We already know our 3rd OA pick is not going to be a star. Maybe he is a good 2C when he is 23/24 but he's not a star. We have a better chance at getting a star with the Canes pick (10-25 range) than we do with KK. Even if the pick is 15-25 range. Small chance yes but KK will not be a star
The season to season strategy of improving the team but not mortgaging the future should be at play. If guys like Price and Gallagher get upset, let them. Our best strategy is prolonged high draft power and we already have a very good base to build on. Add a star and watch out!
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Maybe. The last two years he has virtually the same points as the Sue. And Nick's production is trending up while Hertl's is trending down or plateaued at best.
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not the same PPG though, Hertl is at 0,86 and Suzuki is at 0,73. Hertl battle with injuries and Covid last 2 seasons but when he's healthy, he's a stud
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I value Hertl but not as high as you. Would be equal to Suzuki and a decent 1/2 punch but you better get him on an extension
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Right know Hertl is better then Suzuki, in 2-3 yrs they will probably be equal but for now Hertl have a step on him and yes sign him for 7-8 yrs after
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At first I was leaning on matching. But after careful consideration and reviewing a lot of factors, I'm not matching.
* KK will not be a star.
* 1st round picks gives you another chance
* Poehling slides into KK's spot cause he is in fact NHL ready.
* or we trade for Hertl with extension or Dvorak.
I totally fine with having two 1st and two decent shots at a star. Not probable but it's like zero chance KK is future star. More like a good middle 2C if he matures but that will take time.
Don't match!
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I would not look at it that way. I would look at it in terms of a 1/2 punch with Evans as the 3rd wheel. I absolutely hate the 1C,2C, 3C,4C narratives. I look at sum of all parts cause this is not the NBA where top heavy wins more often than not. NHL is the ultimate team game.
Who's better between Suzuki and Hertl? I'll let you guys debate that (not and future). Don't factor in with me cause I got my eyes on the team
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Yes the 1/2 punch with Suzuki/Hertl would be really interesting. We would only miss a #3 C and having Evans in his role as a #4 but I could live with Evans as #3 to start to season and then grab an other C at the TDL if we have this 1/2 punch
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Evans played with Lehkonen and Byron against Tampa and held his own very well. One of the most deepest cup winners we have seen in recent memory. Evans can fill a 3C spot IMO. Habs have trust in him just as much as trading Eller cause we had Danault back when.
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