Salary Cap: Trade Thread # LXVI: Well..... Were waiting!?!?

[DearDiary]

Did the board just shit itself for anyone else where no one was able to post anything new for like half an hour?

Considering Pornstars suspension thread died for almost an hour, I'd say that's likely.

 

[Empoleon8771]

This is exactly why I could see Garland being a potential trade target. It makes more sense with Myers, but good luck moving Myers.

Shannon mentions Garland, which he says "I haven't heard much talk about Garland, other than the logic with his contract".

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Zucker's big issue is that I think he felt the need to try and live up to the price tag the previous idiot paid to acquire him. He tried to do way too many things at once. One shift he'd be trying to play a production-driven role, another he'd be that kinda grunt-work sorta third wheel guy, another he'd be some weird mix of both which accomplished neither, etc. If he just settled into the guy he was in Minny--pre-breakout Rust kinda guy who hustled his ass off, did the dirty work and chipped in occasionally, he'd be fine. But he hasn't been able to, and the lack of a production-driver on his opposite wing doesn't really help him out either.

Kinda like Kap in a way. The dude doesn't know (or is simply incapable) how to really be a production-driver. He and Zucker seem like decent or good 3rd liners, but real disappointments in a scoring line role unless they're in pristine conditions that optimize what they bring. This is not that situation, sadly.


-edit- Guess Manson's off the table. A trade of medium significance going down means the new and improved HFboards is completely shitting the bed.

 

[Empoleon8771]

By the way, Seravalli was allegedly on the radio in Canada and said that the Penguins offered Kapanen and/or Pettersson for Boeser, but the Canucks said no and it seems like negotiations are basically done. The Penguins also offered those two to other teams but couldn't come to agreement on any other trades.

On one hand, I think Hextall offering that package and expecting something good for it back suggests that those two actually have legitimate value. Maybe Hextall is just an idiot, but I don't think Hextall would be offering something that is just ludicrously stupid if he was going after someone like Boeser, even if the trade didn't materialize.

 

[Coastal Kev]

Zucker's big issue is that I think he felt the need to try and live up to the price tag the previous idiot paid to acquire him. He tried to do way too many things at once. One shift he'd be trying to play a production-driven role, another he'd be that kinda grunt-work sorta third wheel guy, another he'd be some weird mix of both which accomplished neither, etc. If he just settled into the guy he was in Minny--pre-breakout Rust kinda guy who hustled his ass off, did the dirty work and chipped in occasionally, he'd be fine. But he hasn't been able to, and the lack of a production-driver on his opposite wing doesn't really help him out either.

Kinda like Kap in a way. The dude doesn't know (or is simply incapable) how to really be a production-driver. He and Zucker seem like decent or good 3rd liners, but real disappointments in a scoring line role unless they're in pristine conditions that optimize what they bring. This is not that situation, sadly.


-edit- Guess Manson's off the table. A trade of medium significance going down means the new and improved HFboards is completely shitting the bed.

Could all of those struggles posted regarding Zucker and Kap be Coach related?

 

[ChaosAgent]

Could all of those struggles posted regarding Zucker and Kap be Coach related?

Kapanen does not match Sully's style, at all. Thought maybe a different, speed/breakaway type guy could be useful here but ultimately not. I think he'll be a popular buy-low candidate for someone in the offseason.

Zucker's struggles are as BFD did - either doing too much or really being a good 3rd line tweener who happened to get paid/a reputation above what he merited. With his contract he'll be tough to move and we'll have to take $$$ back.

 

[Ugene Magic]

By the way, Seravalli was allegedly on the radio in Canada and said that the Penguins offered Kapanen and/or Pettersson for Boeser, but the Canucks said no and it seems like negotiations are basically done. The Penguins also offered those two to other teams but couldn't come to agreement on any other trades.

On one hand, I think Hextall offering that package and expecting something good for it back suggests that those two actually have legitimate value. Maybe Hextall is just an idiot, but I don't think Hextall would be offering something that is just ludicrously stupid if he was going after someone like Boeser, even if the trade didn't materialize.

I pulled up an old link for what a poster on the mainboard said and the story was from August 4, 2021.

Pittsburgh Penguins looking to trade Marcus Pettersson

Things seem shady.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

Rust hasn't done anything of worth in the playoffs since 2017. I don't think he's an answer to our problems, because I think he's part of the problem itself.

We can shuffle things around, and I'm fine doing so, but we're still thin when it comes to actual threats to score. Sid, Jake, and Rust have all come up flat in the post season for the last several trips--both individually and as a line. Geno had 5pts last spring but outside of that heroic effort, he's been as bad as the other guys for years. Carter's depth scoring is great but you're still asking for more from your top guys. Blueger and all the other nobodies like Kap, Zucker, ZAR, E-Rod, etc. are nothingmancers. Outside of Letang, we've really got no consistent, substantial production from the blueline (I know, Matheson skates really well).

If we add, I hope we add someone with some real offensive punch to their game. If we don't add, I see us being out again in the 1st, maybe 2nd round, and I see it as basically an admission by the team that the era's over and they're just gonna let things fall apart naturally--a slow, boring end.

This is along the same lines as your Crosby/Malkin aren't top centers anymore post.

 

[Gurglesons]

Kapanen does not match Sully's style, at all. Thought maybe a different, speed/breakaway type guy could be useful here but ultimately not. I think he'll be a popular buy-low candidate for someone in the offseason.

Zucker's struggles are as BFD did - either doing too much or really being a good 3rd line tweener who happened to get paid/a reputation above what he merited. With his contract he'll be tough to move and we'll have to take $$$ back.

I agree with the first one. The second one seems odd especially when we are entertaining a player like Garland whose resume looks sparkling largely because of a small GP total.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

I seriously think value is off around these parts. Pettersson is a top 4 D-man who's now and again on the bottom pairing due to having three players deep depth wise, Matheson was the guy before, Poolman is a pretender/placeholder or any other way you could explain it. They all bring different attributes, but it doesn't change what Petts is.

Do people believe Poolman is a Dumo/Petts type?

He's certainly not a Matheson or Letang type offensive D-man.

They would certainly need a guy who can help rein in Friedman or balance him I should say.

Poolman is dealing with an upper body injury, not sure, but migraines?

I'm just not looking at him as a clear cut positive addition.

IDK if Petts is a top for D-man a good team wants though. He's been sheltered here since last season with minutes cut back. Just recently he has been getting more mins and the issues start to come.

Could he still become a solid top 4 guy?......sure, we just don't have the luxury to wait that out and pay him what we are hoping it happens.

 

[Gurglesons]

By the way, Seravalli was allegedly on the radio in Canada and said that the Penguins offered Kapanen and/or Pettersson for Boeser, but the Canucks said no and it seems like negotiations are basically done. The Penguins also offered those two to other teams but couldn't come to agreement on any other trades.

On one hand, I think Hextall offering that package and expecting something good for it back suggests that those two actually have legitimate value. Maybe Hextall is just an idiot, but I don't think Hextall would be offering something that is just ludicrously stupid if he was going after someone like Boeser, even if the trade didn't materialize.

Hextall’s more of a Shero then a Rutherford. Should play nicely with Petts and Kapanen if they are moved out.

 

[ChaosAgent]

I agree with the first one. The second one seems odd especially when we are entertaining a player like Garland whose resume looks sparkling largely because of a small GP total.

Zucker on paper was a good acquisition for the team, even if overpaid and too high of an acquisition cost.

In practice he was a bad fit and also exposed as a limited/flawed player. That doesn't mean that every player who profiles like Zucker will flop the same way. It may happen but it isn't guaranteed.

 

[Gurglesons]

Zucker on paper was a good acquisition for the team, even if overpaid and too high of an acquisition cost.

In practice he was a bad fit and also exposed as a limited/flawed player. That doesn't mean that every player who profiles like Zucker will flop the same way. It may happen but it isn't guaranteed.

Has Zucker flopped? We expect 20 and 20 from him in an 82 game season. Garland provides 20 and 30. Ultimately what is the difference?

I guess that is my main issue with bringing in Garland is this team learning from the Zucker trade.

 

[Jacob]

Hes a 6/7 on a good team. Nothing more nothing less. Can give you solid bottom pair minutes or great replacement value. Problem is hes not paid for that.

We’re a good team and he’s been our #5.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Has Zucker flopped? We expect 20 and 20 from him in an 82 game season. Garland provides 20 and 30. Ultimately what is the difference?

I guess that is my main issue with bringing in Garland is this team learning from the Zucker trade.

It's been two years after we acquired him and the consensus is that we have 2 wingers worthy of our 2 centers. Read: not including him.

So yeah, he has flopped.

 

[Gurglesons]

It's been two years after we acquired him and the consensus is that we have 2 wingers worthy of our 2 centers. Read: not including him.

So yeah, he has flopped.

I don’t see how we can accurately judge Zucker on the seasons we’ve seen from him.

He’s not a must keep or anything, but I don’t see how Garland is much different than him.

 

[Andy99]

By the way, Seravalli was allegedly on the radio in Canada and said that the Penguins offered Kapanen and/or Pettersson for Boeser, but the Canucks said no and it seems like negotiations are basically done. The Penguins also offered those two to other teams but couldn't come to agreement on any other trades.

On one hand, I think Hextall offering that package and expecting something good for it back suggests that those two actually have legitimate value. Maybe Hextall is just an idiot, but I don't think Hextall would be offering something that is just ludicrously stupid if he was going after someone like Boeser, even if the trade didn't materialize.

I read this more like no one is really interested in those two unless they probably come with a first round pick or good prospect lol

 

[Ryder71]

Garland or Jarnkrok. Both are solid 5v5 and give honest efforts every shift. Neither would be overly costly. Although Jarnkrok should be pretty cheap in comparison. Solid but unremarkable.

 

[Gurglesons]

I read this more like no one is really interested in those two unless they probably come with a first rough pick or good prospect lol

I can see potentially Pettersson costing us. Kapanen we could likely get a shitty UFA back. Or a bad contract.

 

[Gurglesons]

Garland or Jarnkrok. Both are solid 5v5 and give honest efforts every shift. Neither would be overly costly. Although Jarnkrok should be pretty cheap in comparison. Solid but unremarkable.

Garland essentially cost a top ten 1st. I don’t see how he would not be overly costly.

 

[3ladesof5teel]

He’s a smurf that has put up 20 goals once.

I dont know if Garland is truly a top 6 winger though? I mean I like some of the things he brings but I think we need to do something that is a little bit surefire. That's how we got into much of the messes in the first place. Bring in players who are supposed to work out and they don't.

Perron, Brassard, Zucker (Still hopeful he does something this year), Kapanen, Pearson etc. I mean I like the effort and I know GMJR gets a lot of flack around here and people forget some of the great moves he pulled off ( Kessel, Matheson, Daley, Shultz, Bonino) etc. He definitely kept it interesting, issue is sometimes when those players don't work you gotta pay to move them and it looks pretty bad. GMJR had no shame in correcting players that weren't working out

 

[66-30-33]

I pulled up an old link for what a poster on the mainboard said and the story was from August 4, 2021.

Pittsburgh Penguins looking to trade Marcus Pettersson

Things seem shady.

So he was not on the radio saying this today?

 

[Gurglesons]

I dont know if Garland is truly a top 6 winger though? I mean I like some of the things he brings but I think we need to do something that is a little bit surefire. That's how we got into much of the messes in the first place. Bring in players who are supposed to work out and they don't.

Perron, Brassard, Zucker (Still hopeful he does something this year), Kapanen, Pearson etc. I mean I like the effort and I know GMJR gets a lot of flack around here and people forget some of the great moves he pulled off ( Kessel, Matheson, Daley, Shultz, Bonino) etc. He definitely kept it interesting, issue is sometimes when those players don't work you gotta pay to move them and it looks pretty bad. GMJR had no shame in correcting players that weren't working out

Yeah that’s my hang up with people saying Garland is a “pure goal scorer” or pushing his 5v5 metrics.

Like sure we can say those things, but dude has not paced past 20 or so goals ever. That’s a “pure goal scorer” now?

 

[Ryder71]

Garland essentially cost a top ten 1st. I don’t see how he would not be overly costly.

What?

 

[Gurglesons]

What?

Garland cost the Canucks a top ten 1st.