Proposal: Trade Rumours & Proposals Thread: Will we ever get another dman?

[1990*]

The longer this agony persists, the more apparent it becomes that the new boss is the same as the old one. We're essentially watching a balder Steve Tambellini shuffle deck chairs on the S.S. Oil as it takes on water once again- all the while thoroughly befuddled by why the Brad Hunts and Zack Kassians of the world aren't enough to turn this thing around.

I had optimism- I did- but Game 43 looks the same as Game 23, with no cavalry storming around the mountain any time soon. This season is a write-off, and I'd say that even if it was Bobby Orr and not Connor McDavid walking into the room on February 2nd.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It doesn't even look like Reinhart is having much of an impact in the AHL this year. #swindledagain

Islanders.

This is a guy IATL is touting as a surefire top 4 defenseman. He can't even make an impact on the AHL squad he's with now, let alone the AHL team up here.

 

[TKB21]

This is a guy IATL is touting as a surefire top 4 defenseman. He can't even make an impact on the AHL squad he's with now, let alone the AHL team up here.

I hated the deal when it happened and hate it even more now, it never made sense to give up so many good picks for a guy that was trending down.

 

[joestevens29]

The longer this agony persists, the more apparent it becomes that the new boss is the same as the old one. We're essentially watching a balder Steve Tambellini shuffle deck chairs on the S.S. Oil as it takes on water once again- all the while thoroughly befuddled by why the Brad Hunts and Zack Kassians of the world aren't enough to turn this thing around.

I had optimism- I did- but Game 43 looks the same as Game 23, with no cavalry storming around the mountain any time soon. This season is a write-off, and I'd say that even if it was Bobby Orr and not Connor McDavid walking into the room on February 2nd.

It's not that easy. I dont' know what people expect. Teams just can't figure out how to make trades right now. Nothing major is happening and the minor deals are taking forever to make. The PHI-LA I think was in the making since mid-dec or something.

And then there's the value aspect.In the past guys like Kassian, Higgins, Gormley, Cannaunton wouldn't have been waived let alone some of them clearing.

I don't know what GM's are thinking, but heaven forbid actual dollars become more of an issue with the Canadian dollar. You'll see nothing and then come the summer you'll see a purge.

 

[Canovin]

Believe it or not, Connauton is what Reinhart is supposed to be.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

It's not that easy. I dont' know what people expect. Teams just can't figure out how to make trades right now. Nothing major is happening and the minor deals are taking forever to make. The PHI-LA I think was in the making since mid-dec or something.

And then there's the value aspect.In the past guys like Kassian, Higgins, Gormley, Cannaunton wouldn't have been waived let alone some of them clearing.

I don't know what GM's are thinking, but heaven forbid actual dollars become more of an issue with the Canadian dollar. You'll see nothing and then come the summer you'll see a purge.

Something has to happen. There are teams that have turned it around in a fraction of the time the Oilers have, with the Coyotes poised to make a playoff appearance while the Oilers (appropriately) wander in the desert. The time for big decisions has come. Offload a big piece for a top 4 defenseman.

I hated the deal when it happened and hate it even more now, it never made sense to give up so many good picks for a guy that was trending down.

I was lukewarm on the deal at the time but the more I hear the more it seems like more of the same nonsense we're used to.

 

[Young Lions*]

The longer this agony persists, the more apparent it becomes that the new boss is the same as the old one. We're essentially watching a balder Steve Tambellini shuffle deck chairs on the S.S. Oil as it takes on water once again- all the while thoroughly befuddled by why the Brad Hunts and Zack Kassians of the world aren't enough to turn this thing around.

I had optimism- I did- but Game 43 looks the same as Game 23, with no cavalry storming around the mountain any time soon. This season is a write-off, and I'd say that even if it was Bobby Orr and not Connor McDavid walking into the room on February 2nd.

By your own admission it's Game 43. Did you honestly expect a complete revamp at this stage? If so, then I would suggest the issue is your expectations and not Chia's performance. Most rational people knew that fixing the Lowe/Tambo/MacT mess was a task on par with cleaning out the Augean Stables and not the kind of thing that could be done overnight, especially when saddled with unmoveable contracts like Ference and Nikitin's. This year was always about evaluating and getting out from under some of the bad deals eating up cap space. The cavalry isn't coming because the cavalry was never coming.

 

[CupofOil]

So now you are suggesting he should have done nothing and drafted another tiny dancer fancy Dan?

Pffft.

As for the nonsense you said we don't have the pieces to get a #1 dman without McDavid. That's so ridiculous its hardly worth responding to.

As usual, no constructive retort. Just a slew of condescending remarks.
I'd expect a little more respect from long time poster to long time poster but I digress.

I never suggested that they stick with the fancy dan prospects. Just that Chia should have waited if he didn't get the deal he wanted at the draft, what's wrong with that? I couldn't care less about Barzal and whoever at 33. I care about the team improving NOW and this trade failed to do that.
I know that you're a big Reinhart fan but come on man, he didn't make the top 6 of the worst D group in the league and I get that he's still very young but they need help NOW and exhausted valuable assets for no help whatsoever.

As far as the #1 Dman, look at it from the other teams' perspective. Why would you trade your all everything franchise Dman for a young unproven center (unless it was McJesus), an elite winger or an elite prospect? Unless that player asked for a trade, what would be the motivation to deal such a Dman?

IMO and JMO, I think some people are setting themselves up for disappointment if they expect a LEGIT #1 Dman. If Chia could pull off that magic without selling the farm, I'd be over the moon.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

At this point you have to goon out the rest of the year so the players finish with some semblance of battle and self respect or you nuke it from orbit and start over.

A retool will only work if we add a game changing defender and build from a better starting point next year.

Buff...maybe demers...or blow it up.

The shatty and berglund trade is intriguing. Ideal, even.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

If Reinhart can't make this sorry squad that's a pretty damning indictment.

He is 21 years old.

'The Oilers rush their youth, fire everyone' - this board on Nurse

'The Oilers aren't playing their youth, fire everyone' - this board on Reinhart.

FFS.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

He is 21 years old.

'The Oilers rush their youth, fire everyone' - this board on Nurse

'The Oilers aren't playing their youth, fire everyone' - this board on Reinhart.

FFS.

I've never considered Reinhart anything more than a 5-6 at best. If he can't beat out Brad Hunt that's kinda alarming.

Also Nurse is playing too much, that's obvious to anyone.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I've never considered Reinhart anything more than a 5-6 at best. If he can't beat out Brad Hunt that's kinda alarming.

Also Nurse is playing too much, that's obvious to anyone.

Brad Hunt is barely on the roster and was only here to try to kickstart the powerplay. Griffin Reinhart is not going to be a guy that's going to quarterback your powerplay.

 

[Halibut]

This is a guy IATL is touting as a surefire top 4 defenseman. He can't even make an impact on the AHL squad he's with now, let alone the AHL team up here.

To be fair Draisaitl did nothing in the A before he got off to a great start here so not having an impact doesnt necessarily mean he wont. Having said that I havent seen anything yet that suggest he'll be more than a bottom pairing guy in the NHL.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I've never considered Reinhart anything more than a 5-6 at best. If he can't beat out Brad Hunt that's kinda alarming.

Also Nurse is playing too much, that's obvious to anyone.

Well..hunt was an ahl all star.

They can't just ignore players who are playing well in ahl.

Reinhart is not going to compete with hunt in the ahl but I'd bet he is a better nhl player.

 

[Pointteen]

Okay. Here's an idea.
Gilbert for Schultz.

 

[Canovin]

He is 21 years old.

'The Oilers rush their youth, fire everyone' - this board on Nurse

'The Oilers aren't playing their youth, fire everyone' - this board on Reinhart.

FFS.

I'm sure most of us wanted Nurse to be stay in the farm for the entire year. Same with Drai but he really forced our hands.

As for Reinhart. You know my stand on him. Wasn't happy when it happened. It only gotten worse. Could have used the 50 roster spot on Connauton instead and we would still have those valuable assets(picks) for trading.

 

[Draiskull]

Connauton lost his spot to Cody Goloubef who CBJ kept in the minors for a real long time..
Goloubef is almost 26 already and is just solidifying himself as a NHL regular.

Reinhart has one more year of development IMO... If by this time next year he isnt a NHL regular he would be a bust considering where he was drafted.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

Brad Hunt is barely on the roster and was only here to try to kickstart the powerplay. Griffin Reinhart is not going to be a guy that's going to quarterback your powerplay.

And he's doing a stupendous job of that. I feel like Reinhart could be effective playing a 6/7 role. Hunt is just AHL material.

To be fair Draisaitl did nothing in the A before he got off to a great start here so not having an impact doesnt necessarily mean he wont. Having said that I havent seen anything yet that suggest he'll be more than a bottom pairing guy in the NHL.

Yeah but we all knew Drai was good. Reinhart is a massive ?

Well..hunt was an ahl all star.

They can't just ignore players who are playing well in ahl.

Reinhart is not going to compete with hunt in the ahl but I'd bet he is a better nhl player.

Sure they can. Just because you're good at the AHL level doesn't mean you'll be good at the NHL level. Alex Giroux anyone? The Brad Hunt experiment was a massive failure last year and I haven't seen any evidence it will work this year. But I guess it's only appropriate that an AHL team ices an AHL defense.

 

[Seachd]

Believe it or not, Connauton is what Reinhart is supposed to be.

He was "supposed to be" claimed on waivers twice?

 

[Raab]

This is a guy IATL is touting as a surefire top 4 defenseman. He can't even make an impact on the AHL squad he's with now, let alone the AHL team up here.

How many games have you seen Reinhart play ever? I'm guessing myself and IATL have seen him a hell of a lot more then you by the way your talking. Also how many posters have actually seen Reinhart play in the AHL this year? I guarantee you not many.

 

[Draiskull]

Okay. Here's an idea.
Gilbert for Schultz.

I would do it.

 

[Jet Walters]

Well..hunt was an ahl all star.

They can't just ignore players who are playing well in ahl.

Reinhart is not going to compete with hunt in the ahl but I'd bet he is a better nhl player.

From all reports David Musil is outplaying Reinhart in the AHL. Taking Phaneuf and his ugly contract for those picks and a cap dump like Nikitin would have been a better move, and that shows you just how bad a move it was right from the start.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

How many games have you seen Reinhart play ever? I'm guessing myself and IATL have seen him a hell of a lot more then you by the way your talking. Also how many posters have actually seen Reinhart play in the AHL this year? I guarantee you not many.

I watched his play with the Oilers. Largely ineffective. No offense to speak of and spotty defense.

This is the age of the offensive defenseman. As much as I loathe to give them credit, Calgary's blueline and their offensive capabilities are a large reason why they made the playoffs last year. Today's NHL commands plenty of effective, puck-moving defensemen. Reinhart is not that.

 

[Canovin]

He was "supposed to be" claimed on waivers twice?

You wouldn't take anyone who went through the waivers?

 

[belair]

Believe it or not, Connauton is what Reinhart is supposed to be.

What's that? A 25 year old depth PP specialist that doesn't score on the PP?

There are literally no similarities between these two.

You'd have a better chance arguing that Connauton is what Justin Schultz currently is.