Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals PART XXXXI

[CornerStone61]

IMO we bridge formenton. If he proves himself then I'm okay paying him but I think he's a 2nd/3rd line tweener right now. Would hate to get rid of him because he's a great PK player.

 

[NyQuil]

Once again we are turning our noses up at guys who have proven they can play in the league for guys with virtually no sample size.

 

[SpezDispenser]

The Forsberg contract really sets a nice benchmark for Stutzle and Debrincat IMO. I realize they're younger, but a superstar just signed an 8 X 8.5, so that's where it theoretically should be in the realm of.

 

[Emerica]

Marino come on down

 

[Bevans]

Once again we are turning our noses up at guys who have proven they can play in the league for guys with virtually no sample size.

Complete mischaractorization of the point.

In a salary cap world the guarantee of cost control does not require any sample size.

The senators have a ton of prospects. To say 2 or 3 are untouchable but for extremely unlikely targets is not "turning our noses up".

These guys don't need to be superstars to be valuable. Medium term Pinto and Greig play senators brand hockey and can be slotted anywhere in the line up at near no cost.

Yes a lot of people overvalue the possible over the certain. But that doesn't take into account all forms of certainty. And part of being a good GM is knowing when one of your lottery tickets is a winner.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

I just have a gut feel Formenton might be linked to something bad.

It’s starting to feel that way mostly because he was good for us and zero talk about him in any capacity whatsoever

 

[NyQuil]

Complete mischaractorization of the point.

In a salary cap world the guarantee of cost control does not require any sample size.

The senators have a ton of prospects. To say 2 or 3 are untouchable but for extremely unlikely targets is not "turning our noses up".

These guys don't need to be superstars to be valuable. Medium term Pinto and Greig play senators brand hockey and can be slotted anywhere in the line up at near no cost.

Yes a lot of people overvalue the possible over the certain. But that doesn't take into account all forms of certainty. And part of being a good GM is knowing when one of your lottery tickets is a winner.

I’m saying maybe Pinto and Greig strike out early on.

Zibanejad did until he didn’t. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility.

Slotting in guys, assuming they will fill those roles with no NHL experience, and that the team will improve as a result can be short-sighted.

Personally I’d like to see Greig in Belleville.

I don’t think it’s as simple as Greig>Formenton therefore Alex is expendable.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Here is how I see it with Formenton. You don't want to move him but if a team insists on him being included in a deal for T4 RHD, I am doing the deal.

 

[NyQuil]

Here is how I see it with Formenton. You don't want to move him but if a team insists on him being included in a deal for T4 RHD, I am doing the deal.

I think we can hopefully be a lot more creative than that.

Dorion reportedly avoided tossing in Greig for the Hawks so that’s a good sign.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

I think we can hopefully be a lot more creative than that.

Sometimes you have to give to get - a Formenton for Marino trade for example would be a deal that i'd think both teams would be happy with.

 

[Bevans]

I’m saying maybe Pinto and Greig strike out early on.

Zibanejad did until he didn’t. It’s not beyond the realm of possibility.

Slotting in guys, assuming they will fill those roles with no NHL experience, and that the team will improve as a result can be short-sighted.

Personally I’d like to see Greig in Belleville.

I don’t think it’s as simple as Greig>Formenton therefore Alex is expendable.

Almost my last post was to say that it is good thing if Greig is in Bellville.

Still wouldn't package him for a large salary.

Also I'm of the opinion formenton is untradeable for time being.

 

[Burrowsaurus]

Sometimes you have to give to get - a Formenton for Marino trade for example would be a deal that i'd think both teams would be happy with.

Seems fair to me. Not every deal is going to be debrincat for some picks

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Non contact? Formenton? He’s not my favorite but non contact lol cmon. You can’t just say that because it’s rumoured DJ doesn’t like him and make it true

Where did this rumor come from?

 

[NyQuil]

I think I just have a hard on for speed in the lineup like @Xspyrit does for physical play.

I don’t think Joseph makes Formenton redundant, I think he helps to make us very difficult to play against.

I was still a bit miffed about Duclair leaving. He didn’t have a great playoff, but he was reportedly injured.

I’m very high on Formenton’s brand of bottom six hockey, because it puts pressure on opposing defences leading to breaks, penalties drawn and just a general lack of comfort on the powerplay in particular.

As a tweener, ideally he’s in the bottom six which makes him more affordable, but he can certainly play with skilled guys in pinch due to slump or injury.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

I think I just have a hard on for speed in the lineup like @Xspyrit does for physical play.

I don’t think Joseph makes Formenton redundant, I think he helps to make us very difficult to play against.

I was still a bit miffed about Duclair leaving. He didn’t have a great playoff, but he was reportedly injured.

I’m very high on Formenton’s brand of bottom six hockey, because it puts pressure on opposing defences leading to breaks, penalties drawn and just a general lack of comfort on the powerplay in particular.

And he doesn't shy away from the gritty physical style either. I absolutely do not want him traded, this kid is awesome.

 

[NyQuil]

And he doesn't shy away from the gritty physical style either. I absolutely do not want him traded, this kid is awesome.

Yeah I really don’t know where this take comes from.

He was probably involved in more scrums around the net than anyone in the lineup aside from Tkachuk.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Sometimes you have to give to get - a Formenton for Marino trade for example would be a deal that i'd think both teams would be happy with.

Lets agree hypothetically we have to move an asset.
Why is it Formenton not Greig and not Joseph. I don't think Formenton should necessarily be on the top of that list. I get different people are going to favor one over another or project one to be better .. but that's just opinion. I like all 3 .. but why would the Sens move on from forms so soon? It seems like an odd time .. develop him... get him in the NHL for a season where he at least met expectations I would think. He's 22 with upside..
All 3 have upside. Formenton gives you an elite speed element. I'm keeping him.

 

[GermanSpitfire]

Lets agree hypothetically we have to move an asset.
Why is it Formenton not Greig and not Joseph. I don't think Formenton should necessarily be on the top of that list. I get different people are going to favor one over another or project one to be better .. but that's just opinion. I like all 3 .. but why would the Sens move on from forms so soon? It seems like an odd time .. develop him... get him in the NHL for a season where he at least met expectations I would think. He's 22 with upside..
All 3 have upside. Formenton gives you an elite speed element. I'm keeping him.

I think all 3 are great skaters in their own right - just Formenton is Generational in this regard.

Ottawa has more third-line capable players than they do quality right-shot defenders. You're taking from a position of strength to improve a position of weakness, it's really as simple as that.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

It's quite funny reading someone say all the bad things about a player, in this case Formenton, and soon after say "he'll ask for too much and price himself out of Ottawa".

Only one of those can be true bud. In this case AF isn't yet in a position to make demands, especially with allegations in the background.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I think all 3 are great skaters in their own right - just Formenton is Generational in this regard.

Ottawa has more third-line capable players than they do quality right-shot defenders. You're taking from a position of strength to improve a position of weakness, it's really as simple as that.

I agree with the concept .. just not that the player that is earmarked to move is Formenton.

 

[NyQuil]

I think all 3 are great skaters in their own right - just Formenton is Generational in this regard.

Ottawa has more third-line capable players than they do quality right-shot defenders. You're taking from a position of strength to improve a position of weakness, it's really as simple as that.

If you have a third liner with a generational aspect in his play, I think it makes him valuable.

In my opinion, the fact that Formenton doesn’t score more is good for us, because it keeps his cost down.

We can’t have nine top-six forwards on the team, so we need bottom six guys that are elite in aspects of play that aren’t necessarily rewarded financially.

I think he was one of our most important forwards last year.

 

[Qward]

I have a feeling thongs will be quiet until after Wednesday, a lot of teams wanting to take on cap to reach the floor as well as teams needing to unload decent players to get under the cap or to free up cash to sign core pieces.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

A rookie with 18 goals (5 of them shorthanded, the rest ES because of very limited PP time), 100 hits, game breaking speed, crashes the net, he's a shit disturber. He could easily be a 30 goal scorer as he works on finishing.

I'd rather just give up a first Rd pick than trade him. If Grieg has a first or second season like this, we'd be dancing naked on the street.

 

[2CHAINZ]

I have a feeling thongs will be quiet until after Wednesday, a lot of teams wanting to take on cap to reach the floor as well as teams needing to unload decent players to get under the cap or to free up cash to sign core pieces.

My auto correct does the same thing. Great minds man.

 

[BigRig4]

A rookie with 18 goals (5 of them shorthanded, the rest ES because of very limited PP time), 100 hits, game breaking speed, crashes the net, he's a shit disturber. He could easily be a 30 goal scorer as he works on finishing.

I'd rather just give up a first Rd pick than trade him. If Grieg has a first or second season like this, we'd be dancing naked on the street.

He's also only like 22 or something. Perfect third liner.