Yup def possible
No harm waiting tbh could catch a team who panics and if not then you get what you were probably gonna get a 3rd/4th
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No harm waiting tbh could catch a team who panics and if not then you get what you were probably gonna get a 3rd/4th
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He also would need to be protected in the expansion draft. That is probably a factor in why Colorado will move Jost now instead of a pick. Jost isn't really contributing for them, and whoever they select with say a 2nd round pick that they save by moving Jost instead will be exempt with expansion.
Assuming Pageau, Ennis, and Namestnikov are gone, then in 2022 we have 7 spots to protect...
Tier 1: (Our top young forwards)
Taller Brown
Batherson
Balcers
Tkachuk
White
Duclair
Brown UFA
Tierney UFA
Tier 2: (Could be protected if they breakout)
Abramov
Davidsson
Chlapik
Tier 3: (Next to no chance of being protected)
Paul
Carcone
Beaudin
Hawryluk
Ryan
Even ignoring any disagreements about the tiers, it shows that with acquiring Jost or Puljujarvi or another prospect, there are expansion considerations.
Can leave White unprotected too. Seattle isn't taking that contract.
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They could. They have to bring some salary to hit the floor and with only 3 or 4 years remaining on his contract when they are going to select ( is it 21-22? ) it's not a huge problem to take, IMO.
I don't think reaching the floor will be a problem for them, but I can see him being taken even with that contract.
You are right, having a bad second year is generally a harbinger of a terrible career.
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If I can quote myself to add no 3: Dorion is waiting until the last minute of TDL to troll all of his haters.
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Hopefully this is a sign that we'll get something for Hainsey, but in all likelihood it is a move prompted by Chabot's injury.
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The reason you wait until the deadline to extend is because you prefer heavily to trade the player and you want to create a more dynamic situation where things are fluid and other teams perceive that you might keep the player. If you negotiate in January, and the player ends up on the market, there's no added leverage. Everybody knows re-signing is off the table.
It isn't exactly unprecedented for a team to keep a rental because offers are really bad. On a recent episode of Tim and Sid, Brian Burke discussed how teams have to set their prices internally before the deadline. He claimed that the Flames decided to keep Cammalleri because internally they set a price of a 1st and they didn't get it. They had relented and decided they'd accept a 2nd, but the best offer was a 3rd, so they kept him. I also recall Vancouver doing the same thing when nobody paid up for Bieksa in 2015. In both situations, neither the Flames or Canucks were playoff teams.
That doesn't justify it. I think it is a stupid move. Especially since we're basically done selling off our top assets from the past build. So it's difficult to even justify from a point of view that by keeping Pageau, Dorion is building social capital with other GMs who will then understand if they want his good pieces, they have to come closer to meeting his price. Unless we're moving our young guys, our good pieces will almost all have been sold off.
Dorion is the same person who has raved about the top 60 of this draft, so if there is a top 60 pick on the table for Pageau, and that's the best offer, I don't understand why he wouldn't take it. If the idea is to get a contract done later on, why not revisit things in the summer when Pageau becomes a UFA? If we can't come to an understanding now, how likely are we to come to an understanding before the UFA talking period opens up at the end of June? If Pageau goes somewhere else, maybe it gives him some further perspective on his fit in Ottawa, and maybe it helps our case with getting him to sign our version of a "fair" contract if he finds out that it's better to be a big fish in a small pond than go to somewhere like Colorado or Edmonton where he's no longer a fan favorite star or a household name that will get 18-20 minutes a night.
It isn't exactly unprecedented for a team to keep a rental because offers are really bad. On a recent episode of Tim and Sid, Brian Burke discussed how teams have to set their prices internally before the deadline. He claimed that the Flames decided to keep Cammalleri because internally they set a price of a 1st and they didn't get it. They had relented and decided they'd accept a 2nd, but the best offer was a 3rd, so they kept him. I also recall Vancouver doing the same thing when nobody paid up for Bieksa in 2015. In both situations, neither the Flames or Canucks were playoff teams.
That doesn't justify it. I think it is a stupid move. Especially since we're basically done selling off our top assets from the past build. So it's difficult to even justify from a point of view that by keeping Pageau, Dorion is building social capital with other GMs who will then understand if they want his good pieces, they have to come closer to meeting his price. Unless we're moving our young guys, our good pieces will almost all have been sold off.
Dorion is the same person who has raved about the top 60 of this draft, so if there is a top 60 pick on the table for Pageau, and that's the best offer, I don't understand why he wouldn't take it. If the idea is to get a contract done later on, why not revisit things in the summer when Pageau becomes a UFA? If we can't come to an understanding now, how likely are we to come to an understanding before the UFA talking period opens up at the end of June? If Pageau goes somewhere else, maybe it gives him some further perspective on his fit in Ottawa, and maybe it helps our case with getting him to sign our version of a "fair" contract if he finds out that it's better to be a big fish in a small pond than go to somewhere like Colorado or Edmonton where he's no longer a fan favorite star or a household name that will get 18-20 minutes a night.
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So we have no issues at all.
Batherson and Tkachuk are the only guys worth protecting, unless Logan Brown breaks out and Connor Brown re-signs. Maybe White but he'll need to show progress.
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On the other hand, I hate that we wait until the very last minute to start negotiations. Even if it's a tactic, it looks super lazy and dumb. Oh shit, we have a week to get him signed, let's do it! The other 4 months or so since pageau has been back and good was reserved for perfecting the golf game obviously.
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Colin White is gonna be a good depth player for us chipping between 12 - 17 goals a year and hopefully heading the penalty kill, his contract is a tad too much and if you ever want to move on you might have to add a sweetener to him but he isn't an anchor or a Bobby ryan type situation
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