Proposal: Trade Rumours/Proposals 2019-20 Part 5

[BondraTime]

I can't see Tierny being a guy playoff teams are looking to add for the playoffs

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Given what Coleman and Zucker returned for having control I hope to god that Dorion is shopping Tierney.

Tierney is mediocre-to-poor. Zucker and Coleman are useful-to-good.

 

[Skid]

Lol.. he hasn't even talked to Pageau about an extension. Dorion has no clue what he's doing. He's not fit to be a general manager.

You can’t believe everything garrioch writes.

 

[bert]

Tierney is mediocre-to-poor. Zucker and Coleman are useful-to-good.

Tierney is younger than Coleman and has outproduced him the two previous years while playing a more valuable position. Like I said I dont expect the same return but if they can get half of what Coleman returned for him ill be happy.

 

[stempniaksen]

Tierney is younger than Coleman and has outproduced him the two previous years while playing a more valuable position. Like I said I dont expect the same return but if they can get half of what Coleman returned for him ill be happy.

Goals and hits > whatever Tierney brings to the table (even though I don't entirely agree with that statement, it's pretty clear GM's do).

I think you're also overlooking the fact Coleman is cost controlled at $1.8 million next season while Tierney probably gets a raise into the $3.5-$4.5 million range. I know you're saying you'd take half of the Coleman return for Tierney, but I'm not convinced at late 1st (or equivalent prospect) will end up being on the table for the guy, regardless of the perceived sellers market right now.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Assuming anyone is willing to take on the bulk of Z-feet's contract


I think he is worth keeping but the deal has to be right. I expect him to want more term then Ottawa would like.

 

[guyzeur]

I can see this is going painful to follow this year:

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Posters are already complaining about Dorion because of 3 trades over the weekend.

 

[bert]

Goals and hits > whatever Tierney brings to the table (even though I don't entirely agree with that statement, it's pretty clear GM's do).

I think you're also overlooking the fact Coleman is cost controlled at $1.8 million next season while Tierney probably gets a raise into the $3.5-$4.5 million range. I know you're saying you'd take half of the Coleman return for Tierney, but I'm not convinced at late 1st (or equivalent prospect) will end up being on the table for the guy, regardless of the perceived sellers market right now.

I took all of those variables into account hence the half what Coleman returned. Id also take a 2nd and a 3rd for him too, his value will be lower next year and if he isnt in the long term plans the time to sell is clearly now.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

The problem with that line of thinking is that the team acquired Zaitsev for a completely different role than Demelo. Zaitsev plays a similar role to what Ceci was doing. Very very tough minutes. Used as a #2.

Demelo hasn't been sheltered, but he hasn't been tested like Zaitsev.

Whether or not Zaitsev has played well isn't the point. The point is that I'm guessing the team sees it as apples and oranges. Demelo is being used as a #4 who never in his career has played anywhere close to the level of minutes (both in quantity, competition, deployment) as Zaitsev who is being used as a #2.

Trading for Zaitsev didn't make much sense, but signing Demelo to top 4 money (3-4 years at around 4M) makes just as little sense. He's not Chabot's Methot. He'll go somewhere else and be a bottom pairing guy. This is another case of us taking a player and putting them in a position where they have a fair argument to get paid well above their usefulness because they get to play a greater role on our team.

 

[BatherSeason]

I can see this is going painful to follow this year:





Posters are already complaining about Dorion because of 3 trades over the weekend.

The fact that Garrioch has reported that they team still has no idea what they are going to do has probably more to do with the anger and frustration.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The problem with that line of thinking is that the team acquired Zaitsev for a completely different role than Demelo. Zaitsev plays a similar role to what Ceci was doing. Very very tough minutes. Used as a #2.

Demelo hasn't been sheltered, but he hasn't been tested like Zaitsev.

Whether or not Zaitsev has played well isn't the point. The point is that I'm guessing the team sees it as apples and oranges. Demelo is being used as a #4 who never in his career has played anywhere close to the level of minutes (both in quantity, competition, deployment) as Zaitsev who is being used as a #2.

Trading for Zaitsev didn't make much sense, but signing Demelo to top 4 money (3-4 years at around 4M) makes just as little sense. He's not Chabot's Methot. He'll go somewhere else and be a bottom pairing guy. This is another case of us taking a player and putting them in a position where they have a fair argument to get paid well above their usefulness because they get to play a greater role on our team.

That's a pretty fair take except for playing Zaitsev with Chabot for a good half of the year.
I still would have preferred to hang on to Ceci for another year .
Demelo has earned a new deal.. I can't see the Sens wanting to give him term... it would be more or less a stop gap to graduate other players... Demelo likely wants more than that.

 

[stempniaksen]

I took all of those variables into account hence the half what Coleman returned. Id also take a 2nd and a 3rd for him too, his value will be lower next year and if he isnt in the long term plans the time to sell is clearly now.

We're on the same page in that regard. I'd definitely move him for a 2nd and a 3rd as well, and that's the type of value that's (probably) more in line with what we could expect for him. My only point was that he doesn't seem like someone a team would go out of their way to overpay for (the way someone would overpay for Coleman or even a Pageau type).

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I can see this is going painful to follow this year:

Posters are already complaining about Dorion because of 3 trades over the weekend.

Just kidding around.. don't take it so seriously. We have to cater to the masses and not just one point of view .. although this spirit is not always evident

 

[Do Make Say Think]

We are stuck with Zaitsev.

It isn't that much of a problem though, he isn't horrible. Just a bit overpaid.

At the end of the day no one wants to willingly come to Ottawa (and we dump UFAs) so we had to find a way to "replace" Ceci. Not a great solution but just letting Ceci walk and pray that a prospect can make the jump seems far worse.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We're on the same page in that regard. I'd definitely move him for a 2nd and a 3rd as well, and that's the type of value that's (probably) more in line with what we could expect for him. My only point was that he doesn't seem like someone a team would go out of their way to overpay for (the way someone would overpay for Coleman or even a Pageau type).

Sell High on anyone they have other than the kids imo.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

We are stuck with Zaitsev.

It isn't that much of a problem though, he isn't horrible. Just a bit overpaid.

At the end of the day no one wants to willingly come to Ottawa (and we dump UFAs) so we had to find a way to "replace" Ceci. Not a great solution but just letting Ceci walk and pray that a prospect can make the jump seems far worse.

That's not the only alternative. That's a worst case scenario.

 

[bert]

I can see this is going painful to follow this year:





Posters are already complaining about Dorion because of 3 trades over the weekend.

It has more to do with the fact they have 12 players on expiring deals and not a single trade has been made and there is less than a week left to do something about it. Its impossible to scout that many teams prospects and players. Given how poor the asset management has been I think its a normal reaction for people to question what is going on.

 

[FolignoQuantumLeap]

It has more to do with the fact they have 12 players on expiring deals and not a single trade has been made and there is less than a week left to do something about it. Its impossible to scout that many teams prospects and players. Given how poor the asset management has been I think its a normal reaction for people to question what is going on.

Not only that but it sounds like they haven't even started contract talks with most of the big ones. Just a mess all around.

 

[Qward]

Claiming Jayce makes sense.

Trading Pageau or Demelo doesnt mean they cant re-sign on July 1st.

 

[BatherSeason]

A rumor is a rumor. This guy has been right before. Seems like maybe there is some interest in Ennis. Pick up the damn phone Pierre.

 

[MatchesMalone]

The problem with that line of thinking is that the team acquired Zaitsev for a completely different role than Demelo. Zaitsev plays a similar role to what Ceci was doing. Very very tough minutes. Used as a #2.

Demelo hasn't been sheltered, but he hasn't been tested like Zaitsev.

Whether or not Zaitsev has played well isn't the point. The point is that I'm guessing the team sees it as apples and oranges. Demelo is being used as a #4 who never in his career has played anywhere close to the level of minutes (both in quantity, competition, deployment) as Zaitsev who is being used as a #2.

Trading for Zaitsev didn't make much sense, but signing Demelo to top 4 money (3-4 years at around 4M) makes just as little sense. He's not Chabot's Methot. He'll go somewhere else and be a bottom pairing guy. This is another case of us taking a player and putting them in a position where they have a fair argument to get paid well above their usefulness because they get to play a greater role on our team.

K I know that the Vollman charts only give a basic approximation, but according to that metric their usage is pretty similar.

Not trying to argue anything here, just thought I'd point that out. I'm with you, it would not be wise to pay DeMelo "top four" type money.

But at the same time, it would hurt bad to lose him. I wonder if he'd take a short term deal, to continue to hold us over through the rebuild but not put ourselves in a hole going forward.

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

Stop feeding the Sens' trolls

It's not like Dorion is on here reading having his feelings hurt. He's one of only 31 NHL GM's in the world and is surely making a lot of money, he'll be just fine.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

A rumor is a rumor. This guy has been right before. Seems like maybe there is some interest in Ennis. Pick up the damn phone Pierre.

No accounts like that are ever right. Just lucky. Fake stuff.

 

[BatherSeason]

No accounts like that are ever right. Just lucky. Fake stuff.

Who cares? It's something to add to the discussion.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I can't see Tierny being a guy playoff teams are looking to add for the playoffs

He might not be teams' number one target, but he could add value to certain teams. Not every player has to be Brady Tkachuk to be valuable for playoffs. Faceoffs and offensive zone possession are valuable playoff attributes.