Torts called him 'soft' and out of shape. He was played on the 3/4th line. He held out last season...Columbus is the backwater of hockey cities. (My own speculation)
Rumor: Trade Rumours and Proposals Thread: Still No Deal
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Torts called him 'soft' and out of shape. He was played on the 3/4th line. He held out last season...Columbus is the backwater of hockey cities. (My own speculation)
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Chicago has one scoring line this year. Kane/Panarin/Anisimov. Those three have combined for 51 ES points. The rest of their forwards have combined for 33. Toews has the 4th most even strength points with a whopping 7 in 27 GP. Yak, Pouliot, RNH, Purcell, Draisaitl, Hall, and McDavid (in half the games) all have more even strength points than Toews at this point.
Why did the 16 teams that made the playoffs last year have their 4th highest scoring forward average 47 points in 81 GP? No chance in hell the Oilers can get consistent scoring from 3 lines. Why? Because no other team in the NHL can. At least not at the pace Oilers fans think is possible.
It's time to bring in forwards with intangibles the Oilers lack who still get their 40 points a year playing on the 2nd/3rd line instead of the physically weak, perimeter forwards who don't do much to contribute to wins if they aren't scoring. When you have Hall and Draisaitl scoring over a PPG pace and the best prospect since Crosby, all you need to do is fill out the rest of the forwards with a bunch of 15-20 goal/ 35-50 point, hard to play against players who play well at both ends of the ice.
BoldNewLettuce
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BNL's "thoughts of the hour" include;
-Justin Schultz for Andrew Shaw and a pick.
-Jordan Eberle for Dustin Byfgulien and a conditional 1st.
-Mark Fayne, Anton Slepyshev and a 2nd for Scott Hartnell
Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
Hartnell-Nugent Hopkins-Shaw
Hendricks-Lander-Letestu
Pakarinen
Klefbom-Byfuglien
Nurse-Sekera
Davidson-Gryba
Nikitin, Ference
-Justin Schultz for Andrew Shaw and a pick.
-Jordan Eberle for Dustin Byfgulien and a conditional 1st.
-Mark Fayne, Anton Slepyshev and a 2nd for Scott Hartnell
Hall-Draisaitl-Purcell
Pouliot-McDavid-Yakupov
Hartnell-Nugent Hopkins-Shaw
Hendricks-Lander-Letestu
Pakarinen
Klefbom-Byfuglien
Nurse-Sekera
Davidson-Gryba
Nikitin, Ference
Paralyzer008
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Just because you have 3 scoring lines doesn't mean they have to be weak to play against.
I'm looking at guys like Hartnell, Backes, Brouwer, Lucic this summer who can score but can also pack a punch.
We could always shift Drai to the wing and move RNH up as well at varying times if you wanted a grittier 3rd line. Think all of our C's though can work in any role. The only two forwards who probably wouldn't work in two-way roles are Eberle and Yakupov.
BTW Chicago's not going to win the cup this year because they lost their depth at forward. They were rolling:
Saad-Toews-Hossa
Sharp-Richards-Kane
Teravainen-Vermette-Versteeg
which worked quite well for them. 5 of those guys are gone and although Panarin and Anisimov are good replacement guys, the loss of the rest of the depth will cost them. Poor Toews has Garbutt as a linemate half the time.
I wouldn't ever stop trying to ice the best team possible.
I'd do the first two. Especially together. 3rd one I'm iffy on, would rather not trade slep.
Nuge for Jones
Yakupov + Schultz + for Hamonic
Hall - Drai - X
X - McDavid - Eberle
Nurse - Jones
Klefbom - Hamonic
I'd rather keep Yakupov, and trade Eberle
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Very tough decision to make with RNH. He is nice insurance to have and no doubt he will go on a run at some point and help to team win games but his trade value is only going to keep dropping.
He's 22 right now so a good chunk of his value is probably based on his potential. A team might think that putting him in a different system could lead to a 70 point center. If we wait until he is 24, that potential won't be so appealing and his value will simply be that of a 50 point player.
If Seth Jones is on the table, I think you have to make that trade.
He's 22 right now so a good chunk of his value is probably based on his potential. A team might think that putting him in a different system could lead to a 70 point center. If we wait until he is 24, that potential won't be so appealing and his value will simply be that of a 50 point player.
If Seth Jones is on the table, I think you have to make that trade.
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Why are the jets adding a conditional 1st? If they move dusty they will get a good return without giving up a first
I'd like to see something like Eberle or Nuge for Enstrom or Trouba (Trouba preferably). I suspect Trouba and his agent will be looking for 4+M from the Jets. The Oilers might have to take salary back to make it work for the Jets.
It would have to be RNH+ for Trouba, which I would honestly be ok with. I live in Winnipeg, so I see a lot of Trouba. The kid is a beast. I dream of a Nurse-Trouba pairing
2 tough kids who can skate, play physical, and provide offence.
Winnipeg isn't trading him though. I'd argue that he is their most untouchable piece they have on that roster
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Seth Jones has 0 points in his last 13 GP.
His possession numbers look great this season but he's playing 3rd pair quality of comp (behind Weber-Josi, Ekholm-Ellis).
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He's 21 but he's unproven. Trading RNH for him at this point is an overpay. RNH is a proven top six C who can play a two-way game and is still only 22 years old.
I'd rather be trying to pry Ellis out of NSH with a deal involving Yakupov. Ellis is playing the harder minutes and still basically doing exactly what Jones is doing.
His possession numbers look great this season but he's playing 3rd pair quality of comp (behind Weber-Josi, Ekholm-Ellis).
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He's 21 but he's unproven. Trading RNH for him at this point is an overpay. RNH is a proven top six C who can play a two-way game and is still only 22 years old.
I'd rather be trying to pry Ellis out of NSH with a deal involving Yakupov. Ellis is playing the harder minutes and still basically doing exactly what Jones is doing.
I dunno about yak, I think they would want someone more proven but at this point I would be fine with trading Ebs for Ellis(+?). I still think Yak has the potential to be better and the more complete player. He's cheaper and his contract gives flexibility.
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Eberle and Schultz for Ellis, Wilson and a 2nd/3rd?
I don't know if Ellis is good enough for the D I'd envision Eberle landing.
I think Shultz kills it in regards to the money going to Nashville but I think its a good basis. Having as another option for center would be nice. Is he rh or lh? Another rh forward would be good to have.
BoldNewLettuce
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Getting a young contracted top 6 scorer actually seems pretty good return for a UFA d.....even of Byfugliens caliber.
IMO the Oilers would need an agreement with the player or a 1st in case Byfuglien walks or the terms are too crazy to re-sign him.
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People think you can roll 3 scoring lines and have all the players at a PPG pace. In reality you'd have 2, maybe 3 players around a PPG, then the other 6,7 players would be around a .5 to .7 PPG. That's if the team is a high scoring team. It's impossible to roll 3 lines and get equal production from each line.
Best thing to do this season when fully healthy would be to balance out the 3 scoring lines and stack 2 lines when we need a goal or two.
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Since 1997, excluding holiday freezes and post-deadline, the NHL has gone a month without a trade four times. Two of those were this season.
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Since 1997, excluding holiday freezes and post-deadline, the NHL has gone a month without a trade four times. Two of those were this season.
Shifting Drai to the wing would be a huge mistake. Drai is meant to be a centre. Need to continue to develop him as a centre.
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That's interesting I guess we should have a trade coming through soon, can't imagine going through 3 months without a single trade taking place.
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it didnt seem like a mistake his first 3 games this season.. Hall-RNH-Drai line dominated. Draisaitl can play both C and RW... Most of his production is from the right side anyway so it doesnt really matter what position he plays.
if nothing else it will boost RNH's trade value
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My opinion especially when you see in teams in the playoffs is it's great to have 2c's on a line if you have that luxury where you can have two guys who can play either wing or center. You have two guys who can be natural play makers, win face offs and be defensively responsible.
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Ellis is nowhere near good enough to improve the Oilers D. He is a classic small, sheltered middle pairing D man who would flounder if forced to play higher in the lineup as any D obtained by trading Eberle would need to be. Look at his ice time last year. Solidly behind each of Weber, Josi, and Jones in avg toi and within 2 seconds of Ekholm. Ekholm did not get 1 second of PP time last year. He is a slightly better version of MAB and that's it. We already have a log jam of 3-5 defensemen. If Eberle or another substantial mix of assets go, there'd better be a guy with legit top pairing potential. That is not Ellis.
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