Proposal: Trade Rumors and Proposals: Are You Out of Your Faulkin' Mind?

[snipes]

After watching the chemistry between Hall and McDavid when playing with actual NHL Dmen at the WHC, I don't want Hall to go anywhere.

I mean, Hall is an Olympic calibre winger for Team Canada. Him and McDavid clearly have chemistry and are comfortable with each other off the ice. I think Hall has acknowledged that this is McDavids team and he seems ok with it, especially listening to his interviews at Worlds when he starts talking about McDavid.

I wonder what it would be like if we tried him on his off wing at RW with McDavid? McDavid has been finding him with those one timers from his off wing over in Russia.

 

[Aerchon]

Stauffer has been name dropping him for a few weeks, and Gregor just wrote a blog stating that he is certain Carolina would be willing to listen to offers for him.

Nothing from the national side, or carolina's side, but Carolina doesn't have much in the way of media guys who would be in the know.

RNH, Fayne 50% retained, and 4 OA.

For Faulk and 13 OA.

Then trade Yak 50% retained and a third for Petrovic.

That would be nice.

Edit: or maybe Reinhart for Petrovic straight up and Trade Yak for a bag of pucks.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Shea Weber for Eberle and a 4th?

recapture penalty, fart sound, slide whistle.

 

[Raab]

RNH, Fayne 50% retained, and 4 OA.

For Faulk and 13 OA.

Then trade Yak 50% retained and a third for Petrovic.

That would be nice.

Edit: or maybe Reinhart for Petrovic straight up and Trade Yak for a bag of pucks.

I think we see something with Carolina and Florida. Maybe something like:

To Car: RNH+4th+Nurse
To Edm: Faulk+Staal (1M-2M retained)

To Flo: Yakupov
To Edm: Petrovic

Lineup looks like:


Hall-Draisaitl-?
Pouliot-Mcdavid-Eberle
Maroon-Staal-Kassian
Hendricks-Letestu-Pak

Klefbom-Faulk
Sekera-Petrovic
Davidson-Fayne

Talbot

Still need to add a top RW but I think any of Kris Versteeg, Troy Brouwer, or Lee Stempniak could fit in there as a stop gap for a year or two.

 

[Mr Positive]

recapture penalty, fart sound, slide whistle.

what would their recapture penalty really be though? He'll be 40 when the deal is over. Dmen like him usually play that long. If he doesn't, it will probably mean he's on the IR, in which case there's no penalty.

plus as long as there is hocus pocus numbers like these perhaps pushing him out it makes me think he could be had. http://fansided.com/2016/01/08/nashville-predators-trade-shea-weber/

Also one could argue Josi is now old enough to take over the team.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

what would their recapture penalty really be though? He'll be 40 when the deal is over. Dmen like him usually play that long. If he doesn't, it will probably mean he's on the IR, in which case there's no penalty.

plus as long as there is hocus pocus numbers like these perhaps pushing him out it makes me think he could be had. http://fansided.com/2016/01/08/nashville-predators-trade-shea-weber/

Also one could argue Josi is now old enough to take over the team.

Well...I've never understood it but that's what I read everytime a Weber trade gets proposed. (Why would Weber retire to screw Nashville?....he could go on LTIR or go back and retire as a depth d on the Preds....etc.)

Plus I think his salary is shrinking now so that excuse also gets thrown around.

Sadly I think Weber is turning into Phaneuf and if I can avoid taking that on I would.

 

[Canovin]

Would take Weber without thinking twice. Could careless if he's declining. He would be a great mentor for Klef, Nurse etc. Their development would accelerate.

 

[Up the Irons]

You know your desperate when your willing to trade the 4th for Barrie.

what?

you know you're desperate when you're willing to trade a 24 year old NHL defensemen that has put up 50pts, for 18 year old magic beans.

I can't make that trade fast enough. No way Colorado does that, tho.

you're trolling, right

 

[Logical McNonsense]

what?

you know you're desperate when you're willing to trade a 24 year old NHL defensemen that has put up 50pts, for 18 year old magic beans.

I can't make that trade fast enough. No way Colorado does that, tho.

you're trolling, right

I think he may still be suffering from Oileritis.
It was a common disease found amongst Oiler fans from about 2009 to 2015, where they believed draft picks and skilled forwards were the only way to build a championship team.
However most have been given the cure that was found on April 18th, 2015, but some do still suffer from this heartbreaking disease. It was actually rumoured that this disease was let loose to the public by a certain individual with the initials KL. That is all I know.





Seriously though I would do that trade in a heart beat. Makes us a better team immediately.

 

[t0nedeff]

Do the 4th for Barrie every day of the week as long as we can agree to a long term deal where he isn't making outlandish money. Barrie could be the Oilers Letang. Look at Pitts D and beyond Letang and Matta (who has been severely disappointing this playoffs) they don't really have better depth than the Oilers on the blueline.

 

[McQuixote]

Carolina doesn't even really have a top 6 centre, forget top line. It's really bad and I think they'd love to get one badly.

At this early stage in his career, Victor Rask is an adequate 2nd line center.

 

[Canovin]

I wouldn't trade Drai for Barrie so the 4th pick for Barrie is also a no. Signed or not signed. I rather part with RNH and Ebs. I'm one of the minority that thinks Dubois will be an important part of the Oilers for a long time

 

[tinfish]

I wouldn't trade Drai for Barrie so the 4th pick for Barrie is also a no. Signed or not signed. I rather part with RNH and Ebs. I'm one of the minority that thinks Dubois will be an important part of the Oilers for a long time

Where would Dubois play here in the next 3 years? He'd have to beat out one of mcdavid, Draisaitl, rnh, or one of hall, pouliot, maroon just to play in the top 9.

I'd drive eberle to the airport, but I think rnh will be a fixture on this team. He plays the game the right way, and McLellan compared him to Joe pavelski.

 

[Canovin]

Where would Dubois play here in the next 3 years? He'd have to beat out one of mcdavid, Draisaitl, rnh, or one of hall, pouliot, maroon just to play in the top 9.

I'd drive eberle to the airport, but I think rnh will be a fixture on this team. He plays the game the right way, and McLellan compared him to Joe pavelski.

In 3 years, Dubois will beat out Maroon, Pou and RNH rather easily. RNH won't even be on the team in 2 years. He's just not worth his contract. I think people will start to realize this eventually.

 

[snipes]

We should be having a "win now" mentality. We have our guys up front to build around with McDavid, Drai, and Hall.

Everything we do should be done with the mindset that our window starts right now with McDavid and Drai on ELCs. We need guys who can step into the lineup immediately, not 2-3 years from now.

Heck, if #4 isn't getting a top pairing D, I would be down to move it for a right shot, tough winger like Simmonds (to be clear, I'm not advocating giving the pick away. But I think there are a number of teams who are highly interested in Dubois).

Move Eberle, Yak, 2017 1st, Pouliot, etc. for help on D.

We don't need more prospects/picks, we need NHL players who can help us get to the playoffs next season. There needs to be a sense of urgency to put together a winning team right now.

 

[Sempiternal]

RNH for RHD
Select Dubois @ #4

Done.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

Some teams I'm ruling out as trading partners:


Buffalo - They only have 1 D-man they're looking to trade and he sucks (Cody Franson) and they only have 1 terrible forward they're trying to trade (Matt Moulson). My pipe dream is Griffin Reinhart for Mark Pysyk, but Buffalo is going to want a LHD that's more established.

I haven't heard anything official from Buffalo's end about trade intentions obviously Franson hasn't been great and I'm sure they'd like to show him the door based on his play and contract, but might not be super easy to move, if they think he can function in a 3rd pairing role as a PP specialist, they might be able to derive more value out of trading someone else. They have Ristolainen, Pysyk, Franson, and Bogosian as RHD and I've heard some Buffalo fans argue they prefer Pysyk over Bogosian, Ristolainen is untouchable, but any of Pysyk, Franson, or Bogosian could be made available.

Calgary - Rival team. Only guy we'd look at who's available is Dennis Wideman and he's a terrible player (and a ref destroyer). Pass.

Yeah I see Calgary moving Wideman out to free up cap space for Gaudreau, Monahan, Colborne, and a new goalie. Wideman isn't so bad that I think he's unmoveable I just think a bit of retention is required to grease the wheels. I don't think Chia is scared of trading with the Calgary though, we've already traded with Vancouver and we all suck so much improving a rival is much less of a factor than improving yourself, it's when you are higher up and are worried that said rival might beat you in the playoffs cause of a bad trade you made, that's what makes GM's get trigger shy. When a team at the bottom end of the league & is just a little better, it just means they are a bit less likely to get an impact player from high up in the draft.

Columbus - I wouldn't rule out a big Seth Jones offer sheet but there's a 99.99% chance that's not happening. They need D so I can't see them moving one and they just re-signed Savard. Hartnell is an albatross for us and we have stacked LWs. Jack Johnson and Fedor Tyutin are not strong options. Lots of guys that would kill our cap on this team.

Offer sheet on Jones isn't happening, we'd also need to pay off the B's first so we could use our 2nd round pick in 2017. I could see Savard being available they are in a really tight spot cap wise, he was extended a year ago and that was before they picked up Jones, a sub-par season after extending also makes him someone who might find the chopping block. I suspect they will try shipping out a high priced forward first, but failing that Savard is a likely candidate.

Arizona - They aren't trading OEL and we don't have Matthews. John Chayka is an analytical guy and Hanzal/Stone/Murphy are analytical darlings....they aren't going anywhere. Chayka probably tries to re-sign Hanzal immediately. Other than that there isn't much here.

They seem comfy where they are just slowly building through the draft, if they love analytics I could see them targeting Pouliot, but I don't think we'd get anyone we really want off their roster, more likely B level prospects who they don't think will form the core of their group.

Toronto - Bozak kills our cap, no D-men to acquire here either. They are rebuilding too so there isn't much we can scour away that makes sense.

Pretty much full agreement here, biggest deal will be swapping an AHL player here or there or possibly trading in a LHD prospect for a RHD prospect.

Vancouver - I thought about Edler and Hansen, but Canucks fans insist the price is sky-high and we've seen the "divisional price" from this team before. Can't see Benning and Chiarelli connecting again unless it's a minor Larsen-like deal.

Only one player I really want from their team or system and it's Tanev, I don't see a fit here though.

Winnipeg - We don't have the LHD that it would take to shake Trouba loose (think better than Klefbom or Klefbom+) and other than that, it's 2 mediocre goalies and Matheson's favourite player left. I'll pass on Drew Stafford.

They are short on LW's they are a potential Pouliot landing spot and isn't far off from being the same ilk as Michael Frolik who they previously had, but I half suspect they just like collecting former Blackhawks. Trading any RHD's till they get Myers back healthy seems unlikely. A rather nice prospect cupboard to raid though if they want to make a pitch for one of our guys, Reinhart would actually be a smart pick-up for them, but we'd only get 80 cents on the dollar we gave up for him.

 

[tinfish]

In 3 years, Dubois will beat out Maroon, Pou and RNH rather easily. RNH won't even be on the team in 2 years. He's just not worth his contract. I think people will start to realize this eventually.

So at best he becomes our 3rd line center or our 2nd line lw. I don't consider either position a priority. I'd rather gamble on a defenceman

 

[Philly85*]

You know your desperate when your willing to trade the 4th for Barrie.

this made me lol

 

[Paralyzer008]

I haven't heard anything official from Buffalo's end about trade intentions obviously Franson hasn't been great and I'm sure they'd like to show him the door based on his play and contract, but might not be super easy to move, if they think he can function in a 3rd pairing role as a PP specialist, they might be able to derive more value out of trading someone else. They have Ristolainen, Pysyk, Franson, and Bogosian as RHD and I've heard some Buffalo fans argue they prefer Pysyk over Bogosian, Ristolainen is untouchable, but any of Pysyk, Franson, or Bogosian could be made available.

Yeah I see Calgary moving Wideman out to free up cap space for Gaudreau, Monahan, Colborne, and a new goalie. Wideman isn't so bad that I think he's unmoveable I just think a bit of retention is required to grease the wheels. I don't think Chia is scared of trading with the Calgary though, we've already traded with Vancouver and we all suck so much improving a rival is much less of a factor than improving yourself, it's when you are higher up and are worried that said rival might beat you in the playoffs cause of a bad trade you made, that's what makes GM's get trigger shy. When a team at the bottom end of the league & is just a little better, it just means they are a bit less likely to get an impact player from high up in the draft.

Offer sheet on Jones isn't happening, we'd also need to pay off the B's first so we could use our 2nd round pick in 2017. I could see Savard being available they are in a really tight spot cap wise, he was extended a year ago and that was before they picked up Jones, a sub-par season after extending also makes him someone who might find the chopping block. I suspect they will try shipping out a high priced forward first, but failing that Savard is a likely candidate.

They seem comfy where they are just slowly building through the draft, if they love analytics I could see them targeting Pouliot, but I don't think we'd get anyone we really want off their roster, more likely B level prospects who they don't think will form the core of their group.

Pretty much full agreement here, biggest deal will be swapping an AHL player here or there or possibly trading in a LHD prospect for a RHD prospect.


Only one player I really want from their team or system and it's Tanev, I don't see a fit here though.


They are short on LW's they are a potential Pouliot landing spot and isn't far off from being the same ilk as Michael Frolik who they previously had, but I half suspect they just like collecting former Blackhawks. Trading any RHD's till they get Myers back healthy seems unlikely. A rather nice prospect cupboard to raid though if they want to make a pitch for one of our guys, Reinhart would actually be a smart pick-up for them, but we'd only get 80 cents on the dollar we gave up for him.

This is actually awesome, you did a write-up on all of them!

If Buffalo makes Pysyk available then I'm offering Reinhart immediately but considering his play this year combined with the price they paid for Bogosian, it's apparent to me Franson is a goner. They'll go UFA/Trade-Risto, Gorges-Bogosian and McCabe-Pysyk in my eyes. Nelson as the 7th. They could also deal Ennis but I don't think he fits here because we are looking to get bigger.

Wideman still has offensive ability but defensively....yikes. I just don't think I want to eat that contract even with retention. I don't know if anyone does.

You're right about Jones for CBJ. I don't see them moving Savard even with some wishful thinking by Oil fans. If I'm Jarmo I probably see this is my top 4: Murray-Jones, Werenski-Savard. This means Johnson and Tyutin are expendable but I don't have much interest in either.

I agree that I see Arizona inquiring on Pouliot. Wouldn't move him there though.

I'd love Tanev. If Benning is an idiot then maybe I inquire on Edler but I don't see anything happening with VAN.

I think the prime jewel in Winnipeg is Trouba and we don't have the expendable assets required to get them to bite AKA extra top 4 LH D-men. Other than that, they will be happy with the depth they have going into next year. Laine and Connor are the cherries on top.

I'll be analyzing the other teams soon to see who we can pluck, but the ones I posted I just can't see anything too important shaking down.

Felt like I had found a fair deal for Jannik Hansen but the Canucks fans wanted a late 1st or 32nd overall + something and if that's the price, I'm walking away.

I also didn't mention goalie candidates because I feel like Mike Smith/Ryan Miller/Jonathan Bernier have too much money attached for backup and I don't like Pavelec or Hutchinson.

 

[Zaddy]

Yay, more Faulk talk. Moving Faulk makes less sense for Carolina than it would do for us moving Klefbom. You don't deal your best defenseman by a mile to add forwards...

A good example of this is Nashville who didn't want to trade away Seth Jones for the longest time despite the fact that he was number 5 on their depth chart and even so, when they finally dealt him it was only for a young top-flight #1C coming back.

So unless you guys are willing to give up Draisaitl + 4th or Hall+ discussing Faulk is rather pointless, but to each their own I guess...

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

This is actually awesome, you did a write-up on all of them!

If Buffalo makes Pysyk available then I'm offering Reinhart immediately but considering his play this year combined with the price they paid for Bogosian, it's apparent to me Franson is a goner. They'll go UFA/Trade-Risto, Gorges-Bogosian and McCabe-Pysyk in my eyes. Nelson as the 7th. They could also deal Ennis but I don't think he fits here because we are looking to get bigger.

Wideman still has offensive ability but defensively....yikes. I just don't think I want to eat that contract even with retention. I don't know if anyone does.

You're right about Jones for CBJ. I don't see them moving Savard even with some wishful thinking by Oil fans. If I'm Jarmo I probably see this is my top 4: Murray-Jones, Werenski-Savard. This means Johnson and Tyutin are expendable but I don't have much interest in either.

I agree that I see Arizona inquiring on Pouliot. Wouldn't move him there though.

I'd love Tanev. If Benning is an idiot then maybe I inquire on Edler but I don't see anything happening with VAN.

I think the prime jewel in Winnipeg is Trouba and we don't have the expendable assets required to get them to bite AKA extra top 4 LH D-men. Other than that, they will be happy with the depth they have going into next year. Laine and Connor are the cherries on top.

I'll be analyzing the other teams soon to see who we can pluck, but the ones I posted I just can't see anything too important shaking down.

Felt like I had found a fair deal for Jannik Hansen but the Canucks fans wanted a late 1st or 32nd overall + something and if that's the price, I'm walking away.

I also didn't mention goalie candidates because I feel like Mike Smith/Ryan Miller/Jonathan Bernier have too much money attached for backup and I don't like Pavelec or Hutchinson.

I could see Jack Johnson finding a new home in any of WPG, BUF, COL, and outside shot of CGY; Calgary really shouldn't make a play for him, but Burke has a raging hard on for this player so he (and Treliving) could do a lot of wheeling and dealing just to make it happen. Fedor Tyutin is a buy-out candidate now, his game has declined too much of late, which is sad for a player I used to like.

You have to be careful about overpaying for 3rd liners like Hansen or 3rd pairing d-men, a lot of people on these boards overestimate what they go for. I like Hansen and I'd be onboard with picking him up, but yeah I wouldn't come close to dropping a high 2nd on him.

Just looking at his 5 on 5 stats over the past 2 years show the Sedin effect has been quite helpful to him:

2015/16 season (2 most common linemates excluding goalie):
/w Daniel Sedin 3.23 GFper60 1.62 GAper60
w/o Daniel Sedin 2.63 GFper60 2.43 GAper60
/w Henrik Sedin 2.71 GFper60 1.92 GAper60
w/o Henrik Sedin 3.51 GFper60 1.84 GAper60

Kind of weird how he did very well will Daniel who is clearly boosting him, but Henrik is dragging him down, it seems like he had some pretty good nights when Henrik was injured.

2014/15 season (2 most common linemates excluding goalie):
/w Bo Horvat 2.34 GFper60 2.79 GAper60
w/o Bo Horvat 1.77 GFper60 2.81 GAper60
/w Derek Dorsett 1.78 GFper60 2.85 GAper60
w/o Derek Dorsett 2.27 GFper60 2.77 GAper60

Bad season for Hansen paired with a rookie and a boat anchor, but it's also clear his numbers aren't in the same stratosphere when he doesn't get a lot of ice-time with the Sedins, not unexpected though Sedins boost nearly everyone much like how Getz and Perry can lift someone from obscurity.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

After watching the chemistry between Hall and McDavid when playing with actual NHL Dmen at the WHC, I don't want Hall to go anywhere.

I mean, Hall is an Olympic calibre winger for Team Canada. Him and McDavid clearly have chemistry and are comfortable with each other off the ice. I think Hall has acknowledged that this is McDavids team and he seems ok with it, especially listening to his interviews at Worlds when he starts talking about McDavid.

I wonder what it would be like if we tried him on his off wing at RW with McDavid? McDavid has been finding him with those one timers from his off wing over in Russia.

I understand why Hall hasn't been tried on his off wing before (lack of depth), but I do think it's one of the reasons why he's been a bit ineffective with the centres here. You've got Pouliot and Maroon here now, so I think you can now justify swapping Hall to the RW.

Maroon-McDavid-Hall
Pouliot-Draisiatl-Eberle

*Drool*

Though I do admit, I have the exact same thought about RNH going to McDavid's RW.

 

[Mcnotloilersfan]

It would take 4th OV + RNH to get it done. People are underestimating Faulk big time.

People are underestimating our own assets big time because the clowns on main boards make us feel that way.

Just because RNH isn't high on our depth charts doesn't mean he has no value. He's still a potential 1C that can play both sides of the puck. A lot of teams are missing that.

RNH + something small for Faulk is more than fair value. It just depends on if Carolina is willing to move him.

The offers of Hall+ or RNH+4th are what you would offer to a team who isn't thinking about trading the player. Problem is, that never happens... for that very reason.

Trades don't happen because 1 team desperately pursues 1 specific player, they happen because both teams know that have what each other wants.

Edmonton's want ad doesn't say ''Desperately want Faulk" It says "Looking for top 4, preferably top pairing dmen. Have offense to trade for it"

In Conclusion: Faulk either isn't available so we need not worry, or he is, and the cost won't be as ridiculous as what I've seen posted around here

 

[Zaddy]

People are underestimating our own assets big time because the clowns on main boards make us feel that way.

Just because RNH isn't high on our depth charts doesn't mean he has no value. He's still a potential 1C that can play both sides of the puck. A lot of teams are missing that.

RNH + something small for Faulk is more than fair value. It just depends on if Carolina is willing to move him.

The offers of Hall+ or RNH+4th are what you would offer to a team who isn't thinking about trading the player. Problem is, that never happens... for that very reason.

Trades don't happen because 1 team desperately pursues 1 specific player, they happen because both teams know that have what each other wants.

Edmonton's want ad doesn't say ''Desperately want Faulk" It says "Looking for top 4, preferably top pairing dmen. Have offense to trade for it"

In Conclusion: Faulk either isn't available so we need not worry, or he is, and the cost won't be as ridiculous as what I've seen posted around here

This is the key part. As far as anyone knows Carolina does not want to trade the player. Hence it would require something massive to get him and that massive offer wouldn't be worth the price.

If it comes out that Faulk has made a trade request then obviously the dynamic changes drastically, but as of right now we have no reason to believe that has happened.