Speculation: Trade / Roster Speculation Thread XXXII: To Smurf or not to Smurf

[Thirty One]

I would do 3 years and 2.5 million for Ott. Boyle will get that easily on the open market. Same with Goc.

I'm not sure that's true, but I'd rather have either of them, regardless.

 

[NYR Viper]

Why would you give Boyle 2.5 million and not Ott? Ott is the better skater and more physical. He has more points as well.

Boyle is 52.6% in the circle.

Ott was 52.1% in Buffalo, 59.6% in STL.

Ott is a good PKer as well.

 

[Thirty One]

Why would you give Boyle 2.5 million and not Ott? Ott is the better skater and more physical. He has more points as well.

Boyle is 52.6% in the circle.

Ott was 52.1% in Buffalo, 59.6% in STL.

Ott is a good PKer as well.

Ott got lots of PP time with Buffalo. Would he here?

At even strength, he's not a point producer.

ESP/60
Goc: 1.45
Boyle: 0.95
Ott: 0.81

I don't place much value in toughness, certainly not enough to pay top UFA dollar for it. And I place absolutely no value on the drop from 53.7% to 52.6%.

 

[Thirty One]

Also: Ott will be 32 by the start of next season. Boyle 29. I don't picture Ott aging well.

 

[NYR Viper]

Also: Ott will be 32 by the start of next season. Boyle 29. I don't picture Ott aging well.

People said the same thing about Chris Neil and he has done well.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I would do 3 years and 2.5 million for Ott. Boyle will get that easily on the open market. Same with Goc. He can play center or LW and add some physicality to the top-9. Leader. Hard worker.

I know sometimes it seems like I am pushing for more truculence but I really don't see anyone, outside of McIlrath who can dole out punishment on a consistent basis. Those guys can be factors in the playoffs when teams have to deal with the bumps and bruises they cause.

How often is this team going to continue handing out multi-year multi-million dollar contracts to FA bottom 6 forwards? Its ridiculous.

 

[NYR Viper]

How often is this team going to continue handing out multi-year multi-million dollar contracts to FA bottom 6 forwards? Its ridiculous.

Too often, but it doesn't change the fact that they can't seem to develop anyone with any sort of toughness for those positions. I'm not saying I like doing it, but where else do they get it? Do they become the new age Canadiens from a few years ago who were an all-skill line-up?

 

[bobbop]

Ott was awful in Buffalo this year and he hasn't been very good in St. Louis either. He's on the back nine of his career.

 

[Thirty One]

People said the same thing about Chris Neil and he has done well.

Meh. His Pts/GP at 34 is half of what it is at 32 (Ott's current age). Puck possession is trending downwards, too.

 

[NYR Viper]

Meh. His Pts/GP at 34 is half of what it is at 32 (Ott's current age). Puck possession is trending downwards, too.

He's still an effective player, especially over a 7 game series

 

[Thirty One]

He's still an effective player, especially over a 7 game series

Agree to disagree.

 

[BlueshirtBlitz]

Carl Hagelin is a nice player. To me though, he's so infuriating. He has such great speed and hockey IQ, but he lacks finish around the net and is prone to handling the puck like a grenade. He would be a superstar if he had better hands.

Those two things will hold him back from being a true top 6 forward. He's a really nice middle six forward, but nothing more. I think he's peaked already. I'm absolutely with Tricks Jew (sorry, can't resist ) when it comes to trading Hagelin for someone with a bit more snarl that can play with Richards/Miller/UFA and MSL.

EDIT: Ott sucks. Guy's finished. 0 goals, 2 assists in 19 games with the Blues, and a -11. Ouch. I would rather keep Boyle and D. Moore.

Hagelin is a defensive hound with ludicrous speed that gets the puck often and helps the team when he does.

If Hagelin's peak is a 40 point 3LW, so be it. He's a stud at that position. If he could think as fast as he skated he'd be elite, but he's still a very good player. I don't give up on that for the specter of toughness.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

The Rangers could use a PMD, another center, and a big/tough forward who preferably plays LW.

No easy task. While they need these things, I'd rather them go into next season with the holes than rushing to fill a perceived hole with whoever is available.

Thats how you wind up with Steve Ott for 3 or 4 years. A marginal upgrade with a long-term commitment.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

The Rangers could use a PMD, another center, and a big/tough forward who preferably plays LW.

No easy task. While they need these things, I'd rather them go into next season with the holes than rushing to fill a perceived hole with whoever is available.

Thats how you wind up with Steve Ott for 3 or 4 years. A marginal upgrade with a long-term commitment.

I agree with the needs you spelled out. The amazing thing is they've needed those things for about a decade.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I agree with the needs you spelled out. The amazing thing is they've needed those things for about a decade.

Yup.

If there was a plan in place to target those needs and not just sign the first guy that shows up on the market, they might've been filled by now.

But here I am - in 2014 - preaching patience on the matter. What a twisted world.

 

[Thirty One]

Good teams don't sign bottom-six players to long-term contracts?

k.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Good teams don't sign bottom-six players to long-term contracts?

k.

***Scans last couple pages***

Don't see that being said anywhere.

 

[Fitzy]

I don't know why people are having a go at Hagelin all the time. Speed+penalty killer + 35-40 points a season is hardly the biggest worry on our roster.

 

[I Eat Crow]

I don't know why people are having a go at Hagelin all the time. Speed+penalty killer + 35-40 points a season is hardly the biggest worry on our roster.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing him out the door either. I think a lot of the flak comes from a lot of what I pointed out. He could be so much more with his speed and smarts. But his execution leaves a lot to be desired. He's the most expendable piece that would get the best return.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing him out the door either. I think a lot of the flak comes from a lot of what I pointed out. He could be so much more with his speed and smarts. But his execution leaves a lot to be desired. He's the most expendable piece that would get the best return.

Considering the depth at left wing, which is simply awful, you'll have to explain to me how Hagelin is expendable in any way.

 

[Thirty One]

Don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing him out the door either. I think a lot of the flak comes from a lot of what I pointed out. He could be so much more with his speed and smarts.

Maybe. That doesn't make what he is any less useful though.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Considering the depth at left wing, which is simply awful, you'll have to explain to me how Hagelin is expendable in any way.

Hagelin would go only for a center or left winger that would bring a bit more snarl and chip in a bit more offense. I couldn't tell you who would be available though.

I'd like to add a right handed shot to the forward corps as well. No team is perfect. As you mention, this team could also stand to add a premier puck mover and another center assuming a Richards buyout.

I'd like to add Vanek and Legwand to fill two of those holes, but I don't think the money works. They'll have to settle with filling one of the three holes, there's not enough cap space to go around to fill them all in one offseason.

Losing that 2nd rounder this year sucks. I would've loved to gamble on DeAngelo or take Dougherty out of the US program with that pick.

 

[Samuel Culper III]

I wonder what we could get for Marty St. Louis?

I was pretty neutral about the deal at first because I liked it better than caving in to Cally's demands. Now I really wish we'd just gotten a solid prospect from someone else.

 

[rangers91*]

if rangers don't go after boyle, what do you guys think of signing a Markov, or Kimmo Timonen on a 1 or 2 year deal, both these guys are old but they still can play

 

[YoSoyLalo]

if rangers don't go after boyle, what do you guys think of signing a Markov, or Kimmo Timonen on a 1 or 2 year deal, both these guys are old but they still can play

I actually think Markov could work. Incredibly talented offensively, great PPQB. Timonen isn't going to sign outside of Philly.