Proposal: Trade Proposal Thread (Part VII)

[The Great Weal]

Muzzin is much better defensively, which is an important quality for a defenseman.

Petry can't seem to prevent the puck from ending up in the back of his net. Things get worse when he lands on the 1st pairing. He's really exposed when that happens.

Coaches would feel more comfortable with Muzzin on the 1st pairing, no doubt, regardless of contract situation.

I also think skating is absolutely crucial for dmen, and Petry has him beat with ease. People are really underselling Petry's defensive game. In no way is it as bad as you claim. Petry played mored than fine defensively on the first pair.

 

[417]

1 point out of 2nd in the Atlantic and people want to trade our number 2 defenseman for futures.

Wild times...

No Team or GM would ever do this.

But it works wonderfully on PS4

 

[The Great Weal]

Nah I just threw his name in therez theyd obviously have to add, but the add wouldnt be that significant.

You made it seem like a 1 for 1.

Thats where Petry comes in.

Petry for Vakaanainen would be beautiful and would basically fix all our problems for the next ten years.

I wouldn't do it if the add isn't significant.

 

[417]

We are not winning this year, or next year and then Petry is UFA. Is highest value is now with 2.5 years left on his contract. Why not?

Because this is real life...and GM's don't trade their best players, almost 3yrs out of free agency when they're competitive.

Instead, they try to find ways to add around these types of players.

 

[MTL-rules]

Muzzin has 42 pts last year and have 2 40 pts season




Muzzin didn’t play with Doughty this year … And he his + 10 with a bottom team. In comparison Doughty is -16

And what about last year when Dooughty was +21 and Muzzin +10 or even better the year before when Muzzin was -21 and Doughty +5 ?

Since when +and- defines a player's defensive abilities ? It tells me more that he faces the opponents 3rd and 4th lines while Doughty faces their best.

It's ridiculous to argue that Muzzin is such a better defender than Petry...

 

[The Great Weal]

The point was more that the 2 have probably about the same value

I'd still take Petry over Muzzin if I was another gm.

 

[Vachon23]

And what about last year when Dooughty was +21 and Muzzin +10 or even better the year before when Muzzin was -21 and Doughty +5 ?

Since when +and- defines a player's defensive abilities ? It tells me more that he faces the opponents 3rd and 4th lines while Doughty faces their best.

It's ridiculous to argue that Muzzin is such a better defender than Petry...

I know that +/- dosen’t mean alote to say if a D-man is good or not but + 10 in one of the worst team in the league while playing 21:30 mean something

 

[Be a Hab]

Wild times...

No Team or GM would ever do this.

But it works wonderfully on PS4

Blues GM Doug Armstrong did something like this last year when he traded Statsny at the deadline while only being a few points out of the last playoff spot.

While Statsny was a a pending UFA and Petry still haves 2 more years left to his contract GM’s still make trades if they think it can help their team in the long run.

 

[Ozmodiar]

I also think skating is absolutely crucial for dmen, and Petry has him beat with ease. People are really underselling Petry's defensive game. In no way is it as bad as you claim. Petry played mored than fine defensively on the first pair.

You know what's more crucial than skating? Hockey IQ. Defensive zone awareness.

Petry's skating is impressive. Fun to watch at times. However, it doesn't matter how fast you're going if you're going in the wrong direction.

And to be clear, he isn't fine defensively on the 1st pairing (or your standards are really low).

 

[Habs Halifax]

I'd still take Petry over Muzzin if I was another gm.

Based on the last 2+ years of production and one extra year in term, I agree. Available RD is rare today too.

 

[Vachon23]

I'd still take Petry over Muzzin if I was another gm.

Yes maybe you but ask NHL coach and the answers will probably be equal if it’s not in the advantage of Muzzin.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Yes maybe you but ask NHL coach and the answers will probably be equal if it’s not in the advantage of Muzzin.

I disagree the advantage would go to Muzzin. But I do agree it's close if we subtract contract status.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Because this is real life...and GM's don't trade their best players, almost 3yrs out of free agency when they're competitive.

Instead, they try to find ways to add around these types of players.

Too late for this now. Bergevin should have and had the opportunity to build a strong team 7 years ago and he failed. Time for a new strategy unfortunately.

 

[417]

Blues GM Doug Armstrong did something like this last year when he traded Statsny at the deadline while only being a few points out of the last playoff spot.

Stastny was a UFA who gave no indication he wanted to re-sign in St-Louis and the Blues, as you mentioned, were out of the playoffs and reeling.

It's not at all the same situation.

Apples & Oranges.

While Statsny was a a pending UFA and Petry still haves 2 more years left to his contract GM’s still make trades if they think it can help their team in the long run.

No...they don't.

Can you find me another example of a team that's competing that trades a core player, when he's not a pending UFA for no other reason then to add prospects that can help 2-3-4yrs down the line?

It doesn't happen.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

You know what's more crucial than skating? Hockey IQ. Defensive zone awareness.

Petry's skating is impressive. Fun to watch at times. However, it doesn't matter how fast you're going if you're going in the wrong direction.

And to be clear, he isn't fine defensively on the 1st pairing (or your standards are really low).

Petry is fine defensively. Ha has his brainfarts and he gets caught off position from time to time but he is not a liability out there and his offense has progressed nicely the past 2 years. He is not a #1 defenseman but he did well when Weber was out injured. Ideally he would be on a 2nd pair on a cup contender.

This is easily worth 1st + b prospects. which is what the leafs paid for Muzzin.

 

[417]

Too late for this now. Bergevin should have and had the opportunity to build a strong team 7 years ago and he failed. Time for a new strategy unfortunately.

Right or wrong....

I don't think he (Bergevin) sees it the way you do.

 

[Vachon23]

I disagree the advantage would go to Muzzin. But I do agree it's close if we subtract contract status.

Muzzin cap hit is st 4m don’t forget that ! And Babcock took Muzzin with Team Canada at the World Cup pretty sure he prefer Muzzin to Petry

 

[Mrb1p]

You made it seem like a 1 for 1.

I wouldn't do it if the add isn't significant.

It won't be, Urho's value is close to what Brannstrom and Hague would fetch.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Right or wrong....

I don't think he (Bergevin) sees it the way you do.

Of course he doesn't. His job is on the line now more than ever.

 

[JeffreyLFC]

Muzzin cap hit is st 4m don’t forget that ! And Babcock took Muzzin with Team Canada at the World Cup pretty sure he prefer Muzzin to Petry

It would be great your theory if Petry was not american.

What if I told you Petry is not on the market and Muzzin was on the market? of course the leafs wanted Muzzin they are a contender and the kings are a seller

 

[Habs Halifax]

Muzzin cap hit is st 4m don’t forget that ! And Babcock took Muzzin with Team Canada at the World Cup pretty sure he prefer Muzzin to Petry

Forget about the past. Petry has proven himself to be one darn good defenseman over the last few seasons. Edge to Petry when you evaluate everything... production on the ice recently and term. This is not 2016 anymore.

What's funny is how people reacted to the article below heading into the year and what does Petry do... He goes out there and plays even better than before. Petry is on the list and Muzzin is not.

Definitive ranking of NHL’s top 20 defencemen over three seasons - Sportsnet.ca

 

[Ozmodiar]

I know that +/- dosen’t mean alote to say if a D-man is good or not but + 10 in one of the worst team in the league while playing 21:30 mean something

+/- isn't a great stat, but if you look at a player's career and always see a negative, almost every season ... it says something. Then you see things on the ice to explain why he's always a minus player.

Further, when he's pressed into top pairing duties (Edmonton, last season), he becomes the anti-Larry Robinson with numbers like -25, -30.

 

[417]

Of course he doesn't. His job is on the line now more than ever.

He survived last year, which would have gotten pretty much every other GM fired...and he's still here and has the team competing at a level pretty much no one expected.

Sorry to say...but he's as firmly entrenched as the GM of this team as he's ever been.

He ain't going anywhere anytime soon.

 

[Vachon23]

Forget about the past. Petry has proven himself to be one darn good defenseman over the last few seasons. Edge to Petry when you evaluate everything... production on the ice recently and term. This is not 2016 anymore.

What's funny is how people reacted to the article below heading into the year and what does Petry do... He goes out there and plays even better than before. Petry is on the list and Muzzin is not.

Definitive ranking of NHL’s top 20 defencemen over three seasons - Sportsnet.ca

And ask Kings fams who was there best defenseman this year and they will say Muzzin over Doughty. You forget how important the defensive play is for a defenseman and Muzzin is a beast in this category

 

[The Great Weal]

You know what's more crucial than skating? Hockey IQ. Defensive zone awareness.

Petry's skating is impressive. Fun to watch at times. However, it doesn't matter how fast you're going if you're going in the wrong direction.

And to be clear, he isn't fine defensively on the 1st pairing (or your standards are really low).

Lol hes had shitty linemates during his entire tenure here. Muzzin has had Doughty who makes everyone look much better than they are and a solid dman in Martinez.