Number1RedWingsFan52
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I'd tend to think that Bobrovsky at 50% retained would cost you at least Kyrou, Pretty sure of that. He'll be the best UFA Goalie on the open market next year.
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bleedblue1223
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UFA goalies just don't return that much. Miller is a solid comparable. Bobrovsky is better than Miller was, but Bob also isn't performing that great. He's going to get a huge contract and potentially completely fall off in his early/mid 30's like a lot of other goalies have recently.
Maybe to get rid of Allen, it's going to cost a prospect of that caliber, but just Bob himself won't get that. We are also very close to a point where we can't turn the season around, so it's really not worth wasting assets on rentals.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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You make excellent points here, We'll see what Armstrong decides to do. Too save your guys season here.
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I honestly hope he doesn't try and fix it or he makes moves to just get rid of guys not in our future plans. Try to get rid of Allen. I'd rather get the best possible pick possible. A disaster of a season could be our best chance of adding an elite talent to the core, which is definitely needed.
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Miller? Miller got a 1st which the Blues don't even have
there's also a big difference between prying away the starter of a tanking team like Buffalo in 2014 and the starter of a Playoff team like Columbus,why would they even consider moving him for anything less?
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I never said it would be realistic, I don't think Columbus would move him. I'm just saying UFA goalies don't have great value.
I have a hard time seeing a deal work out here. The Blues would have to be extremely desperate to compete this year. They would have to convince Detroit to throw in the towel right now and move Howard who is the glue keeping everything together. Detroit would also have to heavily retain and/or take on a cap dump. If the dump is Allen, Detroit would need a very good reason to take on that contract. Even if the Blues manage to get Howard, their odds of making the playoffs are not good and worst case scenario they improve enough to lose their 1st round pick, but not enough to make the playoffs. I don’t see any reason why the Blues would be so desperate this year. It would have to be an I’m going to lose my job sort of deal from Armstrong.
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If Detroit is trading Howard now and retaining 50% I’d expect at least a 2nd round pick. Not a winger that we have no need for whatsoever. Look at all the young wingers on the Red Wings that are significantly better than Blais.
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Yeah, that's fine, I was just curious, I'm not up to date on your needs. That price would be fair.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Yep Howard @ $2.65 mil dealt now is definitely worth a 2019 2nd round pick, No way i'd take any thing less if i'm Holland. And we all know he's a big Howard fan so if the Blues are desperate for Howard! The cost wont be cheap.
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How long are you willing to wait on that 2nd? we are a little light on picks the next few, would you take a 2021?
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Well Army can get with Holland this evening in Motown, And make this deal happen. Now we just need someone to replace Howard if this were the case.
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I know Joke Allen sucks and all, but seriously Blues fans do you not pay attention to hockey outside of STL? Howard puts up borderline elite numbers until he gets overplayed, injured and then has a ~10-20 game post-injury slump that brings him back to avg+ numbers. If the Blues trade ANYTHING for him they will lose the trade because they will start him every night until he gets hurt and then its curtains for the season. Wings have worse cap issues than the Blues and there's no way in hell they are looking to have Shakey Jake for term.
I wouldn't see a Howard for Allen trade unless there was a double switch (like throwing in Abdelkader for Bouwmeester) and the Blues sweetening the pot with a decent draft pick to account for the talent gap between Howard and Allen.
I wouldn't see a Howard for Allen trade unless there was a double switch (like throwing in Abdelkader for Bouwmeester) and the Blues sweetening the pot with a decent draft pick to account for the talent gap between Howard and Allen.
not gonna happen 1st check Cap Friendly-
whatever salary Blues add they must return at the least- You take Allen Steen and Bow and you can have Kyrou
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If the Wings are taking back Allen's contract through 2021, it's going to take more than Walman and a 3rd.
Jimmy Howard
Jake Allen
Jake Walman
STL 2019 3rd
Have to believe the Wings would rather just resign Howard than accept that.
Number1RedWingsFan52
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Allen is putting up bad numbers with a good D in front of him, I can only imagine the numbers getting even worse in Detroit with a suspect D in front of him.
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I disagree that his value is a 2nd, but yea; Howard 50% retained for St. Louis 2019 2nd round pick would be enough to force me to deal Howard now if I was Detroit.
