Speculation: Trade & Free Agency Talk XXXVIII

[16thOverallSaveUs]

You'd be surprised at how much of an impact Gaudreau has on Monahan's point totals. Gaudreau is definitely the play driver on that line, Monahan is the triggerman and cleanup crew. He doesn't have great speed or hands. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but playing with one of the best playmakers in the league for his entire career has definitely helped.

Yeah I get that, I just feel the Fiala can carry him and he can continue to be a 60-70 point player here. He’s definitely not a solution to our center issues, but I think you said something along the lines of him being able to take the reigns from Staal and keep us essentially where we are, and that’s what I’d say as well.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

You'd be surprised at how much of an impact Gaudreau has on Monahan's point totals. Gaudreau is definitely the play driver on that line, Monahan is the triggerman and cleanup crew. He doesn't have great speed or hands. I'm not saying he's a bad player, but playing with one of the best playmakers in the league for his entire career has definitely helped.

We're not going to be putting him with scrubs.

 

[Legegendsofthenorth]

By all means, if you find me a Selke winning center that we can acquire this summer, I'm all in.

It's not a requirement at this point.

Don't those grow on trees.

 

[Legegendsofthenorth]

Only thing I’ve learned in this site is that Parise was almost traded

That was funny!!!!

 

[HotDish]

If he reports it, then that's another thing. If I just have to assume it, I'm not going to.

They haven't had the need to try him at center since 2015-16. The only extended time he's gotten there was his first 22 NHL games at 19 years old and he put up 13 points. After that, he was on a team with Matthews and Kadri at center. When Kadri was traded, Tavares took his spot. Toronto, rightfully, never made him the 3rd line center because that would've been a waste.

Listen to 27:30 in Guerin’s plan where he talks about Nylander.

The Russo-Souhan Show

pretty much summed up. You dont give away your best trade piece for someone who might not be a center when you could have better options. Paraphrasing of course.

 

[AKL]

Yeah I get that, I just feel the Fiala can carry him and he can continue to be a 60-70 point player here. He’s definitely not a solution to our center issues, but I think you said something along the lines of him being able to take the reigns from Staal and keep us essentially where we are, and that’s what I’d say as well.

We're not going to be putting him with scrubs.

I think he's actually pretty similar to Staal in a lot of ways, but he's not as good, so he'd be a fine replacement, but we're also not pairing him with Gaudreau, Lindholm, Tkachuk either, so I wouldn't expect point per game numbers here either.

He's a solid 2C for sure, I'm not saying he isn't.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Listen to 27:30 in Guerin’s plan where he talks about Nylander.

The Russo-Souhan Show

pretty much summed up. You dont give away your best trade piece for someone who might not be a center when you could have better options. Paraphrasing of course.

Do we have better options? Nylander is just as much of a center as Domi. Any scout you talked to before the Domi for Galchenyuk trade would’ve said he’s an absolute winger through and through. Nylander will never be a great 2-way center, but he most certainly can player there and produce which is what we’re asking for. He’s not going to be a matchup guy.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

If we're poking holes in Monahan, then we need to have zero expectations of acquiring a suitable top 6 center, because Jack Eichel ain't walking through the door.

 

[AKL]

If we're poking holes in Monahan, then we need to have zero expectations of acquiring a suitable top 6 center.

Not trying to poke holes. Just trying to explain what you're getting and why some have questions about him. Like I said, I'd do Dumba for him, even Dumba and a small + if they were hung up on it.

Position be damned though, and assuming the return is the same, I would rather take the chance on Nylander than Monahan.

 

[Mookie Blaylock]

QUOTE="Dr Jan Itor, post: 173264125, member: 94900"]If we're poking holes in Monahan, then we need to have zero expectations of acquiring a suitable top 6 center, because Jack Eichel ain't walking through the door.[/QUOTE]

 

[HotDish]

Do we have better options? Nylander is just as much of a center as Domi. Any scout you talked to before the Domi for Galchenyuk trade would’ve said he’s an absolute winger through and through. Nylander will never be a great 2-way center, but he most certainly can player there and produce which is what we’re asking for. He’s not going to be a matchup guy.

Monahan and if we are going to try out wingers as centers we might as well go with a Domi since in a realistic world he would be cheaper to acquire and hopefully pay.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Monahan and if we are going to try out wingers as centers we might as well go with a Domi since in a realistic world he would be cheaper to acquire and hopefully pay.

Yeah I’m down for Monahan, just not sure how realistic it is.

 

[AKL]

Listen to 27:30 in Guerin’s plan where he talks about Nylander.

The Russo-Souhan Show

pretty much summed up. You dont give away your best trade piece for someone who might not be a center when you could have better options. Paraphrasing of course.

I would be interested in knowing he talks to that says Nylander isn't a center. Because after he says that, he goes on to say "if you think he can be a center, by all means go for it." Makes me think the guys he's talking to aren't in the Minnesota front office or pro scouting department at the very least, if any front office or pro scouting department.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Not sure how AZ fans feel, but I really think Dvorak could be a good top 6 C. He could be a William Karlsson level 1C in that he’s not a true 1C, but with good wingers he gets it done.

 

[nickschultzfan]

Dumba+Greenway+Donato for Mohanan.

Draft Lundell.

Develop Khovanov.

Keep pushing JEE.

Wild will either have enough center depth OR will have enough centers to acquire an Eichel or Barkov when the time is right.

 

[AKL]

Monahan and if we are going to try out wingers as centers we might as well go with a Domi since in a realistic world he would be cheaper to acquire and hopefully pay.

I am really sour on Domi at this point. His career is rapidly going the way of Galchenyuk. Two teams desperate for centers have already given up on him. He just got supplanted by two 20 year olds in the playoffs. I don't care that he wants to play center, Galchenyuk did too. His only season as anything more than a 50 point player was in large part due to Andrew Shaw doing a lot of the dirty work for that line. 50 point player, questionable center, more effective when playing with guys who will do the dirty work for him. Between Kaprizov, Fiala and Zuccarello, who's that going to be?

 

[AKL]

Not sure how AZ fans feel, but I really think Dvorak could be a good top 6 C. He could be a William Karlsson love 1C in that he’s not a true 1C, but with good wingers he gets it done.

Dvorak is a demi-god in Arizona. It's best to just not go there with their fans. On top of that, they'd want a better center back most likely.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Dvorak is a demi-god in Arizona. It's best to just not go there with their fans. On top of that, they'd want a better center back most likely.

Dvorak + Domi for Nino + Zucker + Ennis

 

[AKL]

Dvorak + Domi for Nino + Zucker + Ennis

Honestly, I'm not convinced that we didn't win that non-deal looking at where we are now, where some of those players are now, and seeing what happens with Addison and that PIT 1st. Dvorak would be nice, but he's still a 2C. Addison turning into a 2/3D (even if not likely) and that 1st could be better value.

Dvorak also would have been used as a bottom six center in his time here (so far), and there'd probably be even more question about whether he can be a top 6 player. I know Arizona is one of the places offense goes to die, but he's gotten to play with players like Schmaltz, Hall and Keller and just can't seem to be the scorer they want him to be. He's a really blue collar player and does well to create room for his skilled linemates, but he doesn't have the offensive talent to put up top 6 center numbers.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Honestly, I'm not convinced that we didn't win that non-deal looking at where we are now, where some of those players are now, and seeing what happens with Addison and that PIT 1st. Dvorak would be nice, but he's still a 2C. Addison turning into a 2/3D (even if not likely) and that 1st could be better value.

Dvorak also would have been used as a bottom six center in his time here (so far), and there'd probably be even more question about whether he can be a top 6 player. I know Arizona is one of the places offense goes to die, but he's gotten to play with players like Schmaltz, Hall and Keller and just can't seem to be the scorer they want him to be.

Pittsburgh’s pick will be the determining factor for me.

 

[Legegendsofthenorth]

We might as well through Dylan Strome into this convo too. Why not him? His FO percentage sucks but other than that he should be targeted

 

[HotDish]

We might as well through Dylan Strome into this convo too. Why not him? His FO percentage sucks but other than that he should be targeted

I’m not against Dylan. However, it can be hard banking on teams trading in division unless it is the trade deadline.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

We might as well through Dylan Strome into this convo too. Why not him? His FO percentage sucks but other than that he should be targeted

Bad skater and product of Kane.

 

[Bazeek]

We might as well through Dylan Strome into this convo too. Why not him? His FO percentage sucks but other than that he should be targeted

I'm more interested in Dylan than Ryan, but I worry that some GM will be willing to overpay and I definitely don't want Guerin trying to outbid them. The last thing we need to do is send some premium pieces to freaking Chicago and have Strome faceplant away from Kane and DeBrincat.

 

[AKL]

We might as well through Dylan Strome into this convo too. Why not him? His FO percentage sucks but other than that he should be targeted

Comprehensive list of targets:

Trade Targets
Dylan Strome
Ryan Strome
William Nylander
Max Domi
Jared McCann
Casey Mittlestadt
Henrik Borgstrom
Tyler Johnson
Nick Schmaltz
Sean Monahan
Ryan Nugent-Hopkins
Adam Gaudette
Sam Reinhart?

UFA Targets
Erik Haula
Mikko Koivu
Alex Galchenyuk
Carl Soderberg

RFA Targets
Mathew Barzal
Anthony Cirelli
PL Dubois
Sam Reinhart?