Trade Deadline Thread: GOLDEN CHAOS

[LordBacon]

Vegas absolutely loaded up.
Kinda hope we don’t meet them in the playoffs

 

[MS]

why did i think Bunting was a physical agitating type?

He’s a bit of a diving rat which is a dimension Kuzmenko doesn’t have but he’s a crappy defensive player who had his numbers inflated by linemates in Toronto and isn’t as skilled as Kuzmenko.

 

[Hodgy]

Totally. I don't blame them for it either.

I think if Pettersson signs a month earlier we have Guentzel here now instead of Lindholm ... and that would have been significantly better. But spilled milk, I guess.

By all reports, Guentzel wasn’t available a month earlier at the all star game. Pittsburgh was always going to wait until the deadline with him. If they were in the playoffs they wouldn’t have traded him.

Bunting is basically Kuzmenko in different clothing and he was apparently a desirable centerpiece for Pittsburgh.

He’s not though. Kuzmenko is a 5.5 million dollar soft winger that wasn’t producing and was being health scratched. And his new team, I understand, also healthy scratched him so obviously they don’t think much of him either. Bunting is at least producing at a reasonable rate and makes one million less.

 

[Vector]

@Hodgy Turns out the Flames didn’t healthy scratch Kuzmenko. Apparently got really sick and that’s why he missed two games.

 

[Hodgy]

@Hodgy Turns out the Flames didn’t healthy scratch Kuzmenko. Apparently got really sick and that’s why he missed two games.

My bad.

Bunting was scoring at a .60 ppg for 4.5 million which isn’t totally out of whack.

Kuzmenko was scoring at .48ppg for 5.5 million and was being health scratched by his team.

So I think Kuzmenko was the bigger dump, but it was closer than I thought.

 

[racerjoe]

Totally. I don't blame them for it either.

I think if Pettersson signs a month earlier we have Guentzel here now instead of Lindholm ... and that would have been significantly better. But spilled milk, I guess.

I disagree, it just has never been JR's MO. He finds his player early and makes his move and by all accounts Guentzel wasn't available then.

 

[MS]

My bad.

Bunting was scoring at a .60 ppg for 4.5 million which isn’t totally out of whack.

Kuzmenko was scoring at .48ppg for 5.5 million and was being health scratched by his team.

So I think Kuzmenko was the bigger dump, but it was closer than I thought.

Bunting was awful at ES for Carolina and propped up by a bunch of PP points. Takes a lot of penalties but doesn't throw any hits. He's not the same player as Kuzmenko but he's a very flawed player who is bad defensively and didn't generate anywhere near his cap hit in terms of value. And he wasn't a season removed from scoring 39 goals.

I disagree, it just has never been JR's MO. He finds his player early and makes his move and by all accounts Guentzel wasn't available then.

I don't think we would have had Lindholm in our sights as the 'early target' if there wasn't so much concern about where we sat at C for 24-25.

 

[RandV]

The fact that Nic Dowd was not traded after all the posturing about how he was worth a first. Is hilarious to me would not have been a bad target if the price was like a third.

Well he's signed another year, and Washington will probably want to take another shot next season. Main thing I wanted to point out though is this is how Paul Gaustad once got traded for a 1st round pick at the deadline. Anything less isn't really going to move the needle much so you can't blame them for trying.

 

[Vector]

Unrelated to todays deadline but I still find it very funny that the in Gaustad trade ultimately only the Flames came out as losers.

Predators: Gaustad & Saros
Sabres: Girgensons
Flames: Jankowski(just signed an extension with the Predators!) & Sieloff

 

[ChilliBilly]

Overall pleased that the Canucks didnt waste any more assets for mediocre crap. The better part of the last 10 years I was pissed that they didnt accrue more draft picks (or prospects). this year I was worried that they would Benning and try "improve" the team and forfeit 20 years of 2nd round draft picks.

 

[SopelFanThe3rd]

Vegas absolutely loaded up.
Kinda hope we don’t meet them in the playoffs

Mantha and Hertl don't exactly worry me. Vegas should worry about MAKING the playoffs first here.

 

[Siludin]

It would have been nice to at least make a waiver claim on someone so there was something to talk about.
I keep looping back hoping there would be something I missed.

 

[valkynax]

It would have been nice to at least make a waiver claim on someone so there was something to talk about.
I keep looping back hoping there would be something I missed.

It's better to make a deal that makes actual sense, instead of making a deal just to make a deal.

 

[Siludin]

It's better to make a deal that makes actual sense, instead of making a deal just to make a deal.

They coulda claimed Bjornfot for depth - there are plenty of ways a waiver claim can make sense.
Besides, there is no way to determine if a move made sense unless we parse it for hours after it happens.

 

[VanillaCoke]

A few thoughts:

- It's interesting that while Allvin was trying to get rid of Poolman's contract, McCrimmon in Vegas is leaning hard into the LTIR space created there. Very different managerial styles.

- The lack of a push for a top6 addition speaks to management's opinion of Suter. They value this player highly.

- The swing forward in the top6 is Mikheyev. Whatever value he has around the league, it seems like this management team values him more. CGY didn't share that opinion though re: Tanev trade.

- The Computer Boys (CAR) get Kuznetsov. I like it for them because it's just primarily money. They have the base for him to succeed. Let's see.

I usually don't watch interviews and just read vectors summaries instead, but I watched Allvins presser twice and I thought it was apparent that cap space was a big factor.

Specifically he said in order to bring someone in, cap would have to go out, obviously thats mik, but they still he's going to rebound (he's not), and they're not prepared to pay alot to lose him. Teams probably asking for pod and/or 1st, and with how pods played it makes no sense to spend that, especially when i think they're going to try hard to sign toffoli/guentz for free in a few months.

Overall it's a bit of a letdown and a mistake not to add anything, with other teams loading up, not even Duhaime or stetcher both cheap, even lemiuex or kessel for free as depth.

But i understand it, and unlike the leafs or oilers it wont affect the actual team, we still got additions for much cheaper than this week.
How the oilers and leafs again, again not even trying to go all in with ultra prime top forwards is unbelievable to me.
I can't see how they're not pushing mcdrai out the door, still no wingers, bad defense, anything happens to skinner and the cup run rides on calvin pickard ....?!?!

 

[Jerry the great]

He’s a bit of a diving rat which is a dimension Kuzmenko doesn’t have but he’s a crappy defensive player who had his numbers inflated by linemates in Toronto and isn’t as skilled as Kuzmenko.

I knew he liked to stir the pot, i just, mistakenly thought he dished it out as well.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

A few thoughts:

- It's interesting that while Allvin was trying to get rid of Poolman's contract, McCrimmon in Vegas is leaning hard into the LTIR space created there. Very different managerial styles.

- The lack of a push for a top6 addition speaks to management's opinion of Suter. They value this player highly.

- The swing forward in the top6 is Mikheyev. Whatever value he has around the league, it seems like this management team values him more. CGY didn't share that opinion though re: Tanev trade.

- BOS is playing some dirty pool here. They floated Lindholm's name, imo. This way, even if things go better for the remainder of the season, he knows a team is waiting for him in FA.

- I thought Zadarov would move to make a lateral RHD trade (Tanev/Walker), My guess is that they weren't getting enough from DAL (who were rumoured to be interested in Zadarov), pre Tanev trade, in order to execute it. Then DAL grabs Tanev instead.

- The Computer Boys (CAR) get Kuznetsov. I like it for them because it's just primarily money. They have the base for him to succeed. Let's see.

Unless he start sharing his cocaine with everyone.

 

[valkynax]

They coulda claimed Bjornfot for depth - there are plenty of ways a waiver claim can make sense.
Besides, there is no way to determine if a move made sense unless we parse it for hours after it happens.

Our lack of movable assets and cap space are rather limiting, we already did a bunch of work ahead of TDL, and if they think deals near TDL are not worth the cost, I have no issue with them standing down for now.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

Not really surprised by the lack of a big move. We already made our big move in Lindholm a few weeks ago. At forward I think we’re fine with Podzolkin looking solid and Joshua coming back soon. A depth D would have been a good add though. Think we are still thin on D and you need depth for a deep run.
Hopefully that doesn’t come back to bite us.

 

[Jerry the great]

Mantha and Hertl don't exactly worry me. Vegas should worry about MAKING the playoffs first here.

I will get down on my knees every night and pray to any god that listens, that they miss the playoffs. And yes, I know where you're going to take this.

 

[SeawaterOnIce]

Probably posted but


Can understand maybe why he wasn't signed. Also willing to guess Podkolzin is probably a better winger for the playoffs than a 1 dimensional powerplay specialist.

 

[Nick Lang]

It's funny how Allvin mentions not wanting to part with Willander and Lekkerimaki but none of the trades today included prospects of this calibre. It sounds like he didn't like the available players aside from maybe Guentzel. but again, Carolina didn't give up any top prospects for him.

I was under the impression that was the Pitt ask from us, Lekkerimaki, plus Hoglander, so I'm very glad we passed that up if so. It's also quite possible our 3rd from this year and 2nd from next wasn't as enticing as the Jets similar second and third in the Tofolli deal. Not really sure what else was really worthwhile. Lots of players also went without retention meaning we couldn't afford them without some other moves if I understood that correctly.

 

[Petey But Really Jim]

Lots of players also went without retention meaning we couldn't afford them without some other moves if I understood that correctly.

That's how I read the Zucker deal.

 

[God]

Bunting was awful at ES for Carolina and propped up by a bunch of PP points. Takes a lot of penalties but doesn't throw any hits. He's not the same player as Kuzmenko but he's a very flawed player who is bad defensively and didn't generate anywhere near his cap hit in terms of value. And he wasn't a season removed from scoring 39 goals.



I don't think we would have had Lindholm in our sights as the 'early target' if there wasn't so much concern about where we sat at C for 24-25.

yeah I looked at carolina's 5v5 stats yesterday and bunting and lemieux managed to be sub-50% xGF% despite playing on carolina where everybody over the past ~3 years has been over 50%

 

[LordBacon]

Mantha and Hertl don't exactly worry me. Vegas should worry about MAKING the playoffs first here.

you never count vegas out bro.