GDT: Trade Deadline Center Part Two (All Flyers and NHL Trade Talk) (Deadline Is 3/3 At 3PM)

[ajgoal]

The deadline was at 3 today, correct?

Yesterday.

 

[mja]

The deadline was at 3 today, correct?

Not sure, I think we need to consult an expert horologist. @deadhead

 

[kudymen]

Yesterday.

Yesterday is like 36 more hours left in the future, isnt it?

 

[BernieParent]

Fletcher announced "we are sellers" had no impact, because everyone and their mother knew the Flyers had zero chance of making the playoffs. Last year it didn't keep him from getting a 3rd for Braun and a 4th for Brassard.
People aren't stupid, they can read the tea leaves.

It's just a lot easier to make deals when you're rebuilding, there's no pressure to move anyone, you don't have to worry about the cap b/c you're not planning to buy FAs, you can take your time and take the best offer.

Which is why I'm glad Fletcher didn't move Hayes, Provorov, Laughton et al at the TDL.
Better a new GM, with a mandate to rebuild, trades them for value rather than dump them.

Since we weren't in on the phone calls, we have little insight into the degree of impact, but I can point to these facts. Last year, they didn't slap the "Sellers" banner over their TDL parade. In fact, the organization was still touting a quick turn-around. Not-winger Braun was also having a decent season, not having been healthy scratched on numerous occasions. He was moved to another club for a pretty good return, as was a pretty cooked Derick Brassard even though only 33 trades were made involving 54 players.

This year, with the fanfare of seeing the light to finally start the r-word and getting younger, Chuck Fletcher got a 5th round pick for swapping face punchees, a 6th for a bottom-6 C PK specialist, and a wink and a nod for a prospect who would look less out of place on the basketball court than the ice surface. Neither the veteran PP specialist or not-winger-turned-winger who got a 3rd last TDL garnered an offer that were "good deals for the Philadelphia Flyers", despite one of the most active TDLs in recent years (64 trades). Several lesser players changed teams and there were multiple good apparent fits for JvR's services.

That being said, I agree with you that Chuck Fletcher could have had a worse TDL had he reverted to "bias for action". He could have traded JvR for Jordan Greenway or another bottom-6er with multiple years on their contract. He could have dealt Provorov for a 3rd and a reclamation project. The absence of picks for JvR and Braun hurts, along with doing the "right thing" for them, but they represent $8 million in cap space that will be available come July 1.

 

[mja]

Since we weren't in on the phone calls, we have little insight into the degree of impact, but I can point to these facts. Last year, they didn't slap the "Sellers" banner over their TDL parade. In fact, the organization was still touting a quick turn-around. Not-winger Braun was also having a decent season, not having been healthy scratched on numerous occasions. He was moved to another club for a pretty good return, as was a pretty cooked Derick Brassard even though only 33 trades were made involving 54 players.

This year, with the fanfare of seeing the light to finally start the r-word and getting younger, Chuck Fletcher got a 5th round pick for swapping face punchees, a 6th for a bottom-6 C PK specialist, and a wink and a nod for a prospect who would look less out of place on the basketball court than the ice surface. Neither the veteran PP specialist or not-winger-turned-winger who got a 3rd last TDL garnered an offer that were "good deals for the Philadelphia Flyers", despite one of the most active TDLs in recent years (64 trades). Several lesser players changed teams and there were multiple good apparent fits for JvR's services.

That being said, I agree with you that Chuck Fletcher could have had a worse TDL had he reverted to "bias for action". He could have traded JvR for Jordan Greenway or another bottom-6er with multiple years on their contract. He could have dealt Provorov for a 3rd and a reclamation project. The absence of picks for JvR and Braun hurts, along with doing the "right thing" for them, but they represent $8 million in cap space that will be available come July 1.

I dread to think how they’re going to spend that money. And spend they will, they’re not capable of planning ahead and weaponizing that space to acquire assets.

 

[renberg]

The “Sellers” announcement was to satisfy the fans. It’s what you have to say when you won’t say rebuild. Everyone in the league knew that they were going to be sellers. The standings said so.
The problem is that there weren’t buyers for what the Flyers were trying to move. The FO had damaged their assets to the point that no one wanted them. No one wanted an expensive homophobe whose play has been declining or an expensive broken down center moved to wing that has an entitled attitude. Why bring that slop into a locker room that is trying to focus on winning a championship?

 

[deadhead]

Boeser wasn't moved either, it is hard to move guys with term at the TDL.
It's done, but it has to be the right fit to the right team.

Flyers will be moving a lot of players the next two years, question is who will be the GM making those moves.
It's obvious it won't be Fletcher.

Torts never ever loses an opportunity to talk. At length. Even when he's talking about something he refuses to talk about, or hates to talk about.

He's basically taken up 90% of the oxygen devoted to Flyers talking. He routinely provides cover for his players even as he lambastes (some of) them in public, that's his long-term thing but now he's also getting a opportunity to talk on behalf of the organization, the GM, the planning, all of it!

Providing cover for his GM, for such a simple transaction? Where the only goal is to return something before it evaporates? Horses**t, and Torts knows all about horses**t. So yesterday he covered for the GM, but no-one can count on Torts to do it again next time, he's not good at this sort of stuff, off-the-cuff he could say anything!

It's funny actually. I'm left with funny for Flyer entertainment. Sens are doing awesome btw, and the fanbase loves Giroux like nobody's business, check it out for some relief.

I think Torts doesn't want any fingerprints when they fire Fletcher.
That is, he doesn't want the next GM to think he will undercut him so they can have a good working relationship.

 

[mja]

I think Torts doesn't want any fingerprints when they fire Fletcher.

Every time you start a sentence with “I think” I know that whatever comes next will be utter horseshit.

 

[BernieParent]

I dread to think how they’re going to spend that money. And spend they will, they’re not capable of planning ahead and weaponizing that space to acquire assets.

$8.9 million projected and 3 RFAs of note -- York, Frost, and Cates -- to re-sign, so let's say $2.9 million to make the math easy. Let's say for poops and giggles that they trade Hayes in the offseason while retaining 40% salary, that's an additional $2.9 million and back up to $8.9 million, less the cap dump coming back in the Hayes deal. I'm breathless with anticipation to see whom the FO targets as reclamation projects.

 

[bennysflyers16]

@Beef Invictus The Jets apparently did offer for JVR.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Beef Invictus The Jets apparently did offer for JVR.

Yeah, the idea there wasn't interested in him is horseshit. Imagine being more loyal to Fletcher than the team, and being willing to lie for him.

 

[deadhead]

@Beef Invictus The Jets apparently did offer for JVR.

Source? I've yet to see any definitive offer, just "some teams showed interest."
I'm waiting for the post-mortum breakdown from someone.
Maybe Friedman next week in 32 thoughts?

 

[bennysflyers16]

Source? I've yet to see any definitive offer, just "some teams showed interest."
I'm waiting for the post-mortum breakdown from someone.
Maybe Friedman next week in 32 thoughts?

Beef knows but don’t matter.

He can say all he wants there was no offers at the end of the day , but to claim there were zero offers at all only you and your brother can believe that.

 

[zizbuka]

The deadline was at 3 today, correct?

Chuck, is that you?

 

[Beef Invictus]

There is a 0% chance Fletcher will even look at the draft before the playoffs end.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

There is a 0% chance Fletcher will even look at the draft before the playoffs end.

Well considering he basically said after the top ten picks it’s not any good which was really just him trying to minimize the ridiculousness that they don’t have a second or a third.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I'm listening to the Season Ticket Holder video...I'm screaming at my wall

 

[deadhead]

Well considering he basically said after the top ten picks it’s not any good which was really just him trying to minimize the ridiculousness that they don’t have a second or a third.

Actually, they have (2) 3rds, Florida (probably 75-80) and NYR.
They also have (2) 4ths.

Hopefully, the new GM can make a deal or two before the draft.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Well considering he basically said after the top ten picks it’s not any good which was really just him trying to minimize the ridiculousness that they don’t have a second or a third.

It happens to mean that he'd have to do a lot of work to find the best players. And he'd rather not. Best to pull out that "it's not actually a good draft" shit they already used and were incorrect about. This is the laziest sports management group I've ever seen.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Actually, they have (2) 3rds, Florida (probably 75-80) and NYR.
They also have (2) 4ths.

Hopefully, the new GM can make a deal or two before the draft.

What new GM? Briere? The guy who will maintain the status quo, change nothing, and thus far has shown he values the same failed nonsense as the rest of the Clarke Group?

 

[JojoTheWhale]

On the one hand, I like that someone is specifically saying the discussion around of the strength of a draft revolves around only the top of it.

On the other, the idea that you could know where your tiers end right now and more importantly where those tiers are likely to be selected means one of two things. Either you’re just saying shit to say it, which is whatever. Or you’re completely and utterly incompetent at preparing for a draft. I don’t know which it is, but those are the only two options.

 

[Beef Invictus]

On the one hand, I like that someone is specifically saying the discussion around of the strength of a draft revolves around only the top of it.

On the other, the idea that you could know where your tiers end right now and more important;y where those tiers are likely to be selected means one of two things. Either you’re just saying shit to say it, which is whatever. Or you’re completely and utterly incompetent at preparing for a draft. I don’t know which it is, but those are the only two options.

I know which it is.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

On the one hand, I like that someone is specifically saying the discussion around of the strength of a draft revolves around only the top of it.

On the other, the idea that you could know where your tiers end right now and more importantly where those tiers are likely to be selected means one of two things. Either you’re just saying shit to say it, which is whatever. Or you’re completely and utterly incompetent at preparing for a draft. I don’t know which it is, but those are the only two options.

He did say that there’s Bedard and then seven more players that they really like.

They’re sitting at *checks notes* 8th worst.

Infer what you want from that information.

 

[renberg]

There is a 0% chance Fletcher will even look at the draft before the playoffs end.

That’s fine. Hopefully he and Flahr won’t be around to make those selections.

 

[FLYguy3911]

He did say that there’s Bedard and then seven more players that they really like.

They’re sitting at *checks notes* 8th worst.

Infer what you want from that information.

Barlow or Yager. I can see it now.