Just because we haven't acquired a top flight center does not mean he has been doing nothing. Those deals are not easy to make and when you don't have a lot of high end tradable assets to do it with (or ones you want to part with) it makes it even harder.
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Just because we haven't acquired a top flight center does not mean he has been doing nothing. Those deals are not easy to make and when you don't have a lot of high end tradable assets to do it with (or ones you want to part with) it makes it even harder.
Dr Jan Itor
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The organization themselves then.
You really think that trading Johansson and Cole, and calling up Boldy and Addison, is waiving the white flag on this season as far as the playoffs goes?
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Where did a I say a top flight center in that?
Outside of JEE, the teams centers are a non-center in Hartman, Rask, Sturm, and two centers who can’t play at this level anymore in Bonino and Bjugstad.
This is the bar that he has set for himself to clear and willfully chooses not to. To do so would not require assets that the team cannot do without.
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Not really. Cole would benefit this team in the playoffs with his physical play and defensive game more than Addison could.
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To each their own, but I'll take skill and upside most every time.
Definitively? No. Do I think it's highly likely? Yes. Chemistry is a very real thing on a team and all you need to see that is to revisit the Hanzal trade.
I also don't believe guys being thrown into a playoff chase will be allowed to "just play" and "see what they got" as was previously mentioned. They are going to be expected to hold their roles efficiently and contribute to the playoff chase. And some rookies fold under that.
Again...just because he hasn't made a deal doesn't mean he is willfully choosing not to do so.
And "any center" is not the way to go either as we've now clearly seen...so you wait and make the right deal.
Those are likely to be higher skilled and cause the loss of assets we dont want to part with.
Fans won't like it...but patience is a virtue...and he is not on a "we've been waiting 20 years" clock. He's on his own and deserves the time to figure this out.
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I'm not so certain that our train is on such a track that it couldn't use a little shakeup, and even better since that shakeup would be an injection of youth and skill.
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Sure it is because if this is based even in part by the fact that he himself was a failed rental then thats just a really lame excuse. Not impressed with his “this one time at band camp” reasoning. Imo. Scared of making the wrong move is getting in the way of finding the right move which has been elusive for him so far.
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Oh, I read it just fine.
There's not 1 deal that went down today that I think we should have been in on. Obviously, he thought all the deal done were "wrong" for the Wild to partake in. Him being afraid of making the "wrong" deal, did not preclude him from making the "right" deal.
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Disagree. Why? Because “no move” is about all we’ve gotten. The average NHL gm lasts about 4 years. Guerin has spent about 40% of his stuck in the starting blocks. We have no idea what his track record is in being able to create something clever.....he hasn’t done it yet. He gets no more “well, it just wasn’t there to be made” credit. Hurry up and do something successful or f’ off for the next guy isn’t too much to ask 19 months in.
I just find so much of what Guerin’s done this past year to be incoherent.
I didn’t expect him to sell off the pending UFAs because of his talk about the players in the room earning the right to make a playoff run. It’s not what I’d choose, but I respect that choice, and I’m sure the players do too. The flip side of that coin, though, is the Staal trade, which I suspect didn’t sit well with many in that room and I felt lacked professional courtesy for a player with a great resume who took a hometown discount (admittedly under a different GM) to stay.
I also felt like the Johannsson and Bonino acquisitions were likely predicated on them being flipped for picks at the deadline. With that obviously not being the case, either Guerin allowed the experiences of his playing career to dictate his role as GM in recent weeks or his evaluations was that one year of Bonino and a lottery ticket (which I hope works out, but I don’t know, seems like you’d be hoping Khusnutdinov develops into a middle-six center) is worth more than three years (roughly?) of team-controlled Kunin.
As someone whose opinions I agree with wrote earlier, 100 days to go before we find out whether this is 4D chess or Billy brought checkers to chess club.
I didn’t expect him to sell off the pending UFAs because of his talk about the players in the room earning the right to make a playoff run. It’s not what I’d choose, but I respect that choice, and I’m sure the players do too. The flip side of that coin, though, is the Staal trade, which I suspect didn’t sit well with many in that room and I felt lacked professional courtesy for a player with a great resume who took a hometown discount (admittedly under a different GM) to stay.
I also felt like the Johannsson and Bonino acquisitions were likely predicated on them being flipped for picks at the deadline. With that obviously not being the case, either Guerin allowed the experiences of his playing career to dictate his role as GM in recent weeks or his evaluations was that one year of Bonino and a lottery ticket (which I hope works out, but I don’t know, seems like you’d be hoping Khusnutdinov develops into a middle-six center) is worth more than three years (roughly?) of team-controlled Kunin.
As someone whose opinions I agree with wrote earlier, 100 days to go before we find out whether this is 4D chess or Billy brought checkers to chess club.
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I think we change GMs every year. They don't do moves that we approve of, hell we're never going to approve of anything/everything, we find a new GM! Eventually we'll get a GM that makes a "good" deal!
Please. Most of y'all are over here playing a finite game while a few of us understand it's an infinite game.
Yeah, and to be clear I have nothing against patience and I'm not all that torn up about not making moves today. I didn't see many deals that I regret missing out on and I'd certainly rather miss out than spending a 1st on Nick Foligno.
But the idea that "Guerin didn't do anything, therefore he couldn't do anything" should be treated with extreme skepticism and this deadline should be the last time that excuse flies. Signing extensions and prospects is well and good, but that's stuff the interim GM does while they hire someone to make real decisions. So far Guerin's only major decision was Zucker and it will never get easier than having your old boss begging to overpay for a player you don't have a spot for next year. He's going to need to go out and identify targets and take risks, whether that's acquiring a center or liquidating players for futures or whatever.
I am guessing that the players are disappointed that Guerin didn't think enough of their chances in the playoffs to add a player. I am glad that he didn't screw anything up by making a bad deal, but am wondering if he intends to use his stand pat TD strategy for the ED.
On a somewhat related topic, does anyone know if there is a Trade Freeze before the ED, or is it just a FA Freeze?
On a somewhat related topic, does anyone know if there is a Trade Freeze before the ED, or is it just a FA Freeze?
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I guess I have a different feeling, in that they likely understand there wasn't really anything that was going to push them over the top. Pretty sure they get GMBG is playing the long game. I'm not disagreeing with others that have said he's made some bizarre, head scratching moves. However, I think there is (maybe) a method in the madness. I mean, really, I don't think any one of us thought this group would play as well as they have. Sure, they've been up and down. I think a good chunk of the current roster will see turnover by next season as well. But, there wasn't anything on the market that was going to get them to the next level for a deep dive in the playoffs. And really very few of the players that moved did I see any major long term benefit to the team either. There were a couple, 'Meh, it'd be an alright get.' (I wouldn't mind seeing what a Sam Bennett could have done here.) I guess to me though, for what he was moved for, I'm still good with not making a move just to make one. Just doesn't feel like this is the year to focus on.
I get 'Anything can happen in the playoffs.' I still think anyone that's watched this team this year and thought they were going anywhere past *maybe* round 1 is fooling themselves.
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