GDT: Trade Day Thread

[417]

What else is there? Everything else is just him speculating.

Except the part about Bergevin insisting on an NHL ready center though...that's not speculation - that part there is fact.

The only part that was actual reporting was the part where the GMs wanted to deal in futures. Which is what Bergevin should've been doing as well.

The Tampa Bay Lightning didn't just deal in futures...why should the Habs?

 

[G0bias]

Except the part about Bergevin insisting on an NHL ready center though...that's not speculation - that part there is fact.

And that is exactly what I have been arguing the last two days. Except now it's even corroborated by Lebrun.

Bergevin was too short-sighted to deal in futures and was asking contenders established roster players back. And much like Lebrun is speculating, the main reason why GMs backed away and the deals fell through. You don't go asking playoffs teams for their 2Cs, unless you actually don't intend on making a deal.

 

[417]

And that is exactly what I have been arguing the last two days. Except now it's even proven by Lebrun.

I was being sarcastic - pointing out how you pick and choose what is or isn't fact/speculation

Bergevin was too short-sighted to deal in futures and was asking contenders established roster players back. And much like Lebrun is speculating, the main reason why GMs backed away and the deals fell through.

That's speculation.

I think what would have been short sighted was settling for a deal that didn't make sense.

Now I have no clue if that's what happened...when Lebrun says "NHL ready center" that doesn't automatically signify to me, established NHL player.

You can argue that Borgstrom is an NHL ready center, can you not?

And then we know for a fact that Tallon himself stated he didn't want to move Borgstrom.....

 

[G0bias]

That's speculation.

Bergevin was in fact reported asking for a second line center.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Bergevin was in fact reported asking for a second line center.

Is this on top of 1st and a prospect?

 

[417]

Bergevin was in fact reported asking for a second line center.

I also heard that report...it was further qualified to say that "2nd line center could be a player who projects to be one".

Again...this is all speculation - media types mixing reports with their own speculation and fans taking that and making of it what they want.

Now Bergevin could of been asking for a #2C on top of a top prospect...in which case, it would explain why a deal couldn't get done.

But it doesnt really jive with what Tallon said and what Lebrun has reported.

Tallon didn't want to trade Borgstrom...

If you're the Habs, you don't move Pacioretty without Borgstrom included.

 

[G0bias]

Is this on top of 1st and a prospect?

It was said part of his deals. They didn't specify the rest. But a 1st was pretty much guaranteed.

 

[Tighthead]

We will see about Weber. The decline propaganda has started since he was traded for Subban and we have still not seen it. In truth, his style of game will stand up well against decline. Why? Because skating is not his strength and he has learned to play with average skating a very long time ago. If a guy like Hainsey can do what he is doing at age 36 this year, so can Weber! It's propaganda and you know it!

Who the hell is Stalin anyways? Staal? If so, you said Alzner and he is equal to Staal.

So how do you explain the decline of players like Seabrook and Phaneuf, who are similar but lesser players (and certainly better than Hainsey)? Why specifically is Hainsey a valid comparison and Seabrook and Phaneuf not?

Why is an opinion contrary to yours automatically propaganda?

When you have opinions that you wholly and repeatedly refuse to back up with any facts are those also propaganda?

 

[Tighthead]

Im talking about how the game is played and you keep responding with imaginary numbers.

Imaginary declining numbers while also saying that accusing him of being in decline is negative propaganda.

 

[G0bias]

I also heard that report...it was further qualified to say that "2nd line center could be a player who projects to be one".

Again...this is all speculation - media types mixing reports with their own speculation and fans taking that and making of it what they want.

Now Bergevin could of been asking for a #2C on top of a top prospect...in which case, it would explain why a deal couldn't get done.

But it doesnt really jive with what Tallon said and what Lebrun has reported.

Tallon didn't want to trade Borgstrom...

If you're the Habs, you don't move Pacioretty without Borgstrom included.

I don't really bother with what Tallon said. GMs cover up their moves every time. Bergevin said he was never trading Sergachev.

 

[mariolemieux66]

I also heard that report...it was further qualified to say that "2nd line center could be a player who projects to be one".

Again...this is all speculation - media types mixing reports with their own speculation and fans taking that and making of it what they want.

Now Bergevin could of been asking for a #2C on top of a top prospect...in which case, it would explain why a deal couldn't get done.

But it doesnt really jive with what Tallon said and what Lebrun has reported.

Tallon didn't want to trade Borgstrom...

If you're the Habs, you don't move Pacioretty without Borgstrom included.

Are you saying you would have refused a return of Aleksi Heponiemi, Adam Mascherin, Max Gildon and a 1st

 

[417]

I don't really bother with what Tallon said. GMs cover up their moves every time. Bergevin said he was never trading Sergachev.

You don't bother with what GM's say...but you do reporters, but not everything they say?

Well I suppose we can believe that Tallon will move Borgstrom...maybe at the draft then?

 

[417]

Are you saying you would have refused a return of Aleksi Heponiemi, Adam Mascherin, Max Gildon and a 1st

I'm not familiar with all the names mentioned so I can't say.

 

[mariolemieux66]

I'm not familiar with all the names mentioned so I can't say.

I just checked the Florida board and read on them a bit. They all have top 6 forwards and top 4 dmen potential. Nobody will trade someone with top line potential for Pacioretty, it shouldn't anyway.

 

[The Great Weal]

We don't know what Tallon offered. For all we know it could have been centered around Bjugstad.

 

[G0bias]

You don't bother with what GM's say...but you do reporters, but not everything they say?

Well I suppose we can believe that Tallon will move Borgstrom...maybe at the draft then?

Maybe he hasn't offered him, what I'm saying is if he did he wouldn't reveal it.

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[417]

I just checked the Florida board and read on them a bit. They all have top 6 forwards and top 4 dmen potential. Nobody will trade someone with top line potential for Pacioretty, it shouldn't anyway.

Why not?

 

[417]

Toffoli, Vilardi and a 1st?

STOP

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

Toffoli, Vilardi and a 1st?

STOP

I think he means Bergevin wanted Vilardi + or Toffoli+.
Kings didn't want to trade Vilardi or Toffoli

 

[Doc McKenna]

So we're going with the mystery box. We don't know yet therefore it was the right decision to wait.

What we did know was that 4 offers were on the table in an unprecedented TDL, while his value was at the highest it will be. But who knows maybe more teams will offer more for less at the draft just because.

Bergie read about this somewhere, but he was trying to save cap space.

 

[habsfan909]

Why would a team going to the playoffs give up a #2 centre for Pacio? Is that seriously what Berg thought was an option? Max isn't worth a #2 centre (playoff bound team or not). I'm afraid Marc is so concerned with squeaking into the playoffs he will keep Max and then ultimately resign him for 7+mill and then we are completely F-ed.

 

[mariolemieux66]

Why not?

One of Pacioretty attribute that made him successful is his speed, with the league getting faster compare to 5 years ago and Max slowing down brings his value down. The worst captain comment by Therrien and the team USA John Tortorella comments didnt help. His disappearance when it matters reputation catching up to him?
Max Pacioretty is not bringing you a sure potentially top line forward, but he could bring you a top 6 forward and a top 4 dmen. You get your #1 C by tanking and drafting in the top 10

 

[The Great Weal]

If Rick Nash and his way past his prime days can get that much. Max Pacioretty on a cheaper contract, ability to play better in pretty much every aspect can return more.

 

[417]

I think he means Bergevin wanted Vilardi + or Toffoli+.
Kings didn't want to trade Vilardi or Toffoli

Ahhh I see....