Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk XLIV

[MNNumbers]

What’s the recapture for a mutual termination? Same as if he retired?

What's that?

 

[KaprizovEntitlelist]

Love him as a 4th line wing. But agree.. our centers and their inability to win a face off and let any other team control both zones will be the major undoing as things move forward.

Is this a practice thing? Needing to hire coach for?

 

[StateofCelly]

Is this a practice thing? Needing to hire coach for?

Some of it sure... but most of it is guys playing out of position, or just not being skilled enough. There might be something to be said for the coaching part of it though I suppose.. I don't know of any team that gets thrown out of the faceoff circle as much as our guys because they are constantly trying to cheat to make up for either poor technique or lack of ability.

 

[57special]

Some of it sure... but most of it is guys playing out of position, or just not being skilled enough. There might be something to be said for the coaching part of it though I suppose.. I don't know of any team that gets thrown out of the faceoff circle as much as our guys because they are constantly trying to cheat to make up for either poor technique or lack of ability.

Players getting thrown out is a league wide problem. Linesman have to just drop the bloody puck.

 

[StateofCelly]

Players getting thrown out is a league wide problem. Linesman have to just drop the bloody puck.

I have seen it much more this year league wide, but I don't recall it happening to Vegas more than 3 times yesterday.. I think it was every other drop for us. It has gotten to pandemic proportions though. I just know it has been an issue with us for much longer, I think back to the series against the Avs in '14 and how much of a topic of conversation it was even then with our group.

 

[Digitalbooya]

I have seen it much more this year league wide, but I don't recall it happening to Vegas more than 3 times yesterday.. I think it was every other drop for us. It has gotten to pandemic proportions though. I just know it has been an issue with us for much longer, I think back to the series against the Avs in '14 and how much of a topic of conversation it was even then with our group.

Koivu was tossed what felt like every faceoff back then.

 

[Webster]

What’s the recapture for a mutual termination? Same as if he retired?

Please...Parise will not retire. Do you really think he's dumb enough to leave $10 million on the table?

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

Please...Parise will not retire. Do you really think he's dumb enough to leave $10 million on the table?

Might want to read it again.

 

[Webster]

Might want to read it again.

His remaining base salary, what they owe him.

I think they will reach an agreement, like Parise stays here and will retire in a couple of years. He can play 4th line. He'll lose 2 mill, but better than 3,3 if they buy him out, and the Wild will avoid cap penalty.

I believe Leipold isn't happy with the Parise situation. Unlike many fans he may have some respect for the player who's been here for a decade, played 558 games and scored 400 points for the Wild.

 

[Minnewildsota]

His remaining base salary, what they own him.

I think they will reach an agreement, like Parise stays here and will retire in a couple of years. He can play 4th line. He'll lose 2 mill, but better than 3,3 if they buy him out, and the Wild will avoid cap penalty.

I believe Leipold isn't happy with the Parise situation. Unlike many fans he may have some respect for the player who's been here for a decade, played 558 games and scored 400 points for the Wild.

Hockey is a business, not a feel good group. Yeah, Parise did all that in the past, that doesn’t warrant his play now.

Leipold and Guerin have to do what’s best for the team, not make Parise feel special.

Of course, this doesn’t mean they should shit on him either.

 

[GuerinUp]

His remaining base salary, what they own him.

I think they will reach an agreement, like Parise stays here and will retire in a couple of years. He can play 4th line. He'll lose 2 mill, but better than 3,3 if they buy him out, and the Wild will avoid cap penalty.

I believe Leipold isn't happy with the Parise situation. Unlike many fans he may have some respect for the player who's been here for a decade, played 558 games and scored 400 points for the Wild.

weird, because everyone in the radio industry thats been in the business seems to think hes either traded or bought out.

 

[MuckOG]

His remaining base salary, what they own him.

I think they will reach an agreement, like Parise stays here and will retire in a couple of years. He can play 4th line. He'll lose 2 mill, but better than 3,3 if they buy him out, and the Wild will avoid cap penalty.

I believe Leipold isn't happy with the Parise situation. Unlike many fans he may have some respect for the player who's been here for a decade, played 558 games and scored 400 points for the Wild.

No chance that Guerin or Evason guarantee him ice time. If Parise is the 13th best forward, then he should sit or be moved out..

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

I don't care what you've done for the last 10 years, if you're the 13th forward, then you're the 13th forward.

 

[Minnewildsota]

No chance that Guerin or Evason guarantee him ice time. If Parise is the 13th best forward, then he should sit or be moved out..

Not only that, the logic doesn’t really make sense.
They’re going to move him up into the lineup as he gets older; a.e. as he gets worse?

 

[GuerinUp]

heres a question that ive never thought of? since hes on a one way, say he doesnt wanna lose his salary owed. can he waive his nmc for the purpose of going to iowa? (i doubt this would ever happen, but if he wants to stay close but not ready to hang them up to home iowa isnt that far)

 

[StateofCelly]

heres a question that ive never thought of? since hes on a one way, say he doesnt wanna lose his salary owed. can he waive his nmc for the purpose of going to iowa? (i doubt this would ever happen, but if he wants to stay close but not ready to hang them up to home iowa isnt that far)

He has way too much pride for that. I think he would rather be a thorn in the organization and never play again than go to the AHL to end his career. In some regards I feel for him as a person, hockey is the one driving thing for all of his life and as it fades it has to be hard to accept.. but the business side of any industry is far more crucial, and performance matters in all those industries as well.

 

[Victorious Secret]

What’s the recapture for a mutual termination? Same as if he retired?

I don't know. Patrik Berglund situation, just suspend him for conduct detrimental to the team, idk? But since mutual termination means he'd have to go through unconditional waivers (assuming he waives), I imagine if he is claimed then we're on the hook for our typical cap advantage formula.

B. For any period during which the Player under a Long-Term
Contract is no longer playing in the League during the term of that
Long-Term Contract by reason of retirement, "defection" from the
NHL or otherwise (but not death) (such that he is not playing and
is not receiving Salary pursuant to that Long-Term Contract), an
amount attributable to that Player shall nonetheless continue to be
included in his Club's Averaged Club Salary as described below.

I think if you argued hard enough that Parise would still be playing in the NHL it would not be subject to recapture. NHLPA would have a fit if it's a lever pulled by the Wild, but if it's pushed by Parise, I don't see why not. If he is truly unhappy, I could see him forgoing 10M minus what he'd make on a different team to find a situation where he fits.

 

[grN1g]

I think people underestimate Parises desire for personal success. He's going out on his terms not ours. I bet the 199 goals for Wild stat is driving him nuts.

Hes 7 goals from 400. He's 190 pts from 1000.

You think these personal achievements aren't on his mind besides also getting a cup? He wants out, and wants to play considerable minutes.

 

[MuckOG]

I think people underestimate Parises desire for personal success. He's going out on his terms not ours. I bet the 199 goals for Wild stat is driving him nuts.

Hes 7 goals from 400. He's 190 pts from 1000.

You think these personal achievements aren't on his mind besides also getting a cup? He wants out, and wants to play considerable minutes.

My bet is that he's already told Guerin that he would accept a trade to any team that will have him. The obvious questions are: who wants him? And how much will a trade cost the Wild in terms of salary retention and draft picks?

 

[Kshahdoo]

What about getting Hertl? He isn't a top center, but still pretty solid 1C and good age as well. 55% at FO this season. Considering how much the Sharks suck, they are probably willing to trade him for picks and prospects. And he's much cheaper, than Eichel.

 

[Bazeek]

What about getting Hertl? He isn't a top center, but still pretty solid 1C and good age as well. 55% at FO this season. Considering how much the Sharks suck, they are probably willing to trade him for picks and prospects. And he's much cheaper, than Eichel.

Hertl would be great, though he's only got a year on his deal and he won't be cheap to acquire or extend. If you can keep Boldy and Rossi out of the deal I'd be pretty open minded about the cost.

 

[Spurgeon]

Hertl would be great, though he's only got a year on his deal and he won't be cheap to acquire or extend. If you can keep Boldy and Rossi out of the deal I'd be pretty open minded about the cost.

It just feels like it’d have to include Fiala. Otherwise, there’s just not a way to afford his extension. I suppose if BG can find a way to trade Zucc next offseason then it’d probably work out alright.

Parise buyout this year would open up cap room to bring Hertl in, then you trade Zucc in the following off-season. Don’t have the numbers crunched, but it probably works out okay (assuming Dumba is off the roster)

 

[Kshahdoo]

Hertl would be great, though he's only got a year on his deal and he won't be cheap to acquire or extend. If you can keep Boldy and Rossi out of the deal I'd be pretty open minded about the cost.

I think, Khusnutdinov plus something lesser can be enough.

 

[Bazeek]

It just feels like it’d have to include Fiala. Otherwise, there’s just not a way to afford his extension. I suppose if BG can find a way to trade Zucc next offseason then it’d probably work out alright.

Parise buyout this year would open up cap room to bring Hertl in, then you trade Zucc in the following off-season. Don’t have the numbers crunched, but it probably works out okay (assuming Dumba is off the roster)

I'm definitely getting curious to see what the options really are with Parise this summer and how they'd affect our cap space. Maybe there aren't any but when both the team and player are ready to move on things tend to happen, and we seem to be reaching that point.

I think, Khusnutdinov plus something lesser can be enough.

I'd like to keep him but I don't hate that idea. Only thing that really worries me about Hertl is his knee, but I'm not actually sure how serious that is.

 

[Spurgeon]

I'm definitely getting curious to see what the options really are with Parise this summer and how they'd affect our cap space. Maybe there aren't any but when both the team and player are ready to move on things tend to happen, and we seem to be reaching that point.

Yeah this off-season is shaping up to be the most interesting one since the Parise/Suter signings. Just so many different scenarios that could play out. The money owed to him is so low that maybe BG can find some team to take him and buy him out, which is the only scenario I can see Parise waiving for. But maybe he’ll take anything at this point other than being a healthy scratch for 4 years.