Speculation: Trade and Free Agency Talk - LIV

[Bazeek]

What do you all think Hertl would cost? He or Miller seem to be the best options on the market.

It's a good question because he has a pretty restrictive no-trade and would have a good deal of control over where he ends up. An expiring UFA that can almost pick his landing spot might keep the price down... but there's no telling how interested he'd be in coming to Minnesota, either.

 

[ThatGuy22]

I'm talking myself into JT Miller. That extra year we can actually probably make room for gives us two proven Cs next year +Rossi.

 

[AKL]

I'm talking myself into JT Miller. That extra year we can actually probably make room for gives us two proven Cs next year +Rossi.

Okay, how do you make room for him next year? Because any solution I can see involves downgrading the roster around him to the point where it's just a lateral move. And that still doesn't account for the assets you gave up to get him that won't contribute in the future.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Okay, how do you make room for him next year? Because any solution I can see involves downgrading the roster around him to the point where it's just a lateral move. And that still doesn't account for the assets you gave up to get him that won't contribute in the future.

Looks like I misread something a trade thread somewhere along the line. I thought I read he's only at 2.5 ish cause Tampa retained. Must have been Vancouver retains offer to juice the return.

I'm less enthused. At 5 and some change.

 

[Bazeek]

Recent Insider Trading segment mentions that Dorian and McGuire were indeed scouting Minnesota last night. Not a lot that I'd really want to try to pick off of that roster, though.

 

[MK9]

Recent Insider Trading segment mentions that Dorian and McGuire were indeed scouting Minnesota last night. Not a lot that I'd really want to try to pick off of that roster, though.

Yeah, I looked at the Sens roster when McGuire was on the radio. I didn't see anything I'd be interested in having on the Wild.

 

[AKL]

Recent Insider Trading segment mentions that Dorian and McGuire were indeed scouting Minnesota last night. Not a lot that I'd really want to try to pick off of that roster, though.

Yeah, I looked at the Sens roster when McGuire was on the radio. I didn't see anything I'd be interested in having on the Wild.

Doesn't really make sense for Ottawa to scout the NHL team if they're selling anyway. Anything we give them probably wasn't playing last night if the two teams are looking at a true deadline deal. They might be getting an early look at someone like Fiala/Dumba/Greenway/Sturm/etc for the summer. It might also be more of a true hockey deal, where we get one of their younger centers in exchange for some NHL pieces that they like long term. Who knows.

 

[Bazeek]

Doesn't really make sense for Ottawa to scout the NHL team if they're selling anyway. Anything we give them probably wasn't playing last night if the two teams are looking at a true deadline deal. They might be getting an early look at someone like Fiala/Dumba/Greenway/Sturm/etc for the summer. It might also be more of a true hockey deal, where we get one of their younger centers in exchange for some NHL pieces that they like long term. Who knows.

LeBrun made it sound like they'd be looking at "cap strapped" teams that might be looking to make more of a hockey trade before the deadline. Which makes sense, even if I can't see that going anywhere with Minnesota this year.

Getting an early look at some trade candidates this summer also makes a lot of sense.

 

[Wabit]

Maybe they just wanted to watch the Habs lose?

If I had to guess it would be the 4th line, Fiala, and Greenway they were scouting.

 

[PuckInTheNards]

It's a good question because he has a pretty restrictive no-trade and would have a good deal of control over where he ends up. An expiring UFA that can almost pick his landing spot might keep the price down... but there's no telling how interested he'd be in coming to Minnesota, either.

He might want to move to a playoff team to showcase himself and improve his price in the offseason?

 

[Bazeek]

He might want to move to a playoff team to showcase himself and improve his price in the offseason?

Maybe, though I dunno how much he really needs to market himself anymore. He'll be able to make bank as it is, and may just want to go to a team that he can sign an extension with.

 

[PuckInTheNards]

Maybe, though I dunno how much he really needs to market himself anymore. He'll be able to make bank as it is, and may just want to go to a team that he can sign an extension with.

Yeah, that's actually pretty likely. Meh, I'll keep my fingers crossed anyway. He'd be fantastic between Boldy and Fiala.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Tierney fell off a cliff aka the ol' Rask career

Gaudette seems to be doing okay in Ottawa - 3 goals, 3 assists for 6 points in 15. Wish we had picked him up.

They aren't going to trade Norris.

Won't trade Pinto either.

I'm kind of digging Nicolas Roy out of Vegas.

 

[Prior]

Following along with really most threads on the trade board, I’m confused by how the Rangers prospects are being viewed. What’s so special about Schneider? Kravtsov? I don’t see blue chippers there and their overall pool is nothing to write home about, especially in comparison to the Wild’s pool.

 

[thestonedkoala]

Following along with really most threads on the trade board, I’m confused by how the Rangers prospects are being viewed. What’s so special about Schneider? Kravtsov? I don’t see blue chippers there and their overall pool is nothing to write home about, especially in comparison to the Wild’s pool.

Schneider has always held some high value, no idea why. Kravtsov only because he was a top 10 pick.

Ranger fans always tend to overvalue their players.

 

[AKL]

Following along with really most threads on the trade board, I’m confused by how the Rangers prospects are being viewed. What’s so special about Schneider? Kravtsov? I don’t see blue chippers there and their overall pool is nothing to write home about, especially in comparison to the Wild’s pool.

Big, physical, two-way RD, wore a letter for his junior team for three years. That's like asking what's so special about Lambos, only Schneider has more of a physical edge.

 

[57special]

Schneider was one of my fav Dmen in his draft year. Old school, big, defender, but can skate, and has some puck skill.

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

If you think Pavelski is going to be an option as a center upgrade, you’re probably wrong. He’s on pace for close to 100 points this year.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Okay, how do you make room for him next year? Because any solution I can see involves downgrading the roster around him to the point where it's just a lateral move. And that still doesn't account for the assets you gave up to get him that won't contribute in the future.

I haven't done the deep dive, but if there is a way that Vancouver retains 50% (overpay,) I would think we could make it work. Price would be high, but I would consider 1st/2nd/prospect. Don't think many will agree with me, but I think he would make this team legit this year. 2 real scoring lines and the best 3rd line in the league could be dangerous.

Or, trade him at full cap and move him this off-season for parts.

 

[DeagleJenkins]

I haven't done the deep dive, but if there is a way that Vancouver retains 50% (overpay,) I would think we could make it work. Price would be high, but I would consider 1st/2nd/prospect. Don't think many will agree with me, but I think he would make this team legit this year. 2 real scoring lines and the best 3rd line in the league could be dangerous.

Or, trade him at full cap and move him this off-season for parts.

this line of thinking makes plenty of sense. even if you take him at full hit and wait till offseason to see what happens that is fine. does it mean no greenway next year? thats ok. do we need to shuffle more than we wanted to with defense and sliding rookies in? probably but that is also ok.

 

[Bazeek]

I haven't done the deep dive, but if there is a way that Vancouver retains 50% (overpay,) I would think we could make it work. Price would be high, but I would consider 1st/2nd/prospect. Don't think many will agree with me, but I think he would make this team legit this year. 2 real scoring lines and the best 3rd line in the league could be dangerous.

Or, trade him at full cap and move him this off-season for parts.

Trading for him and flipping him is kind of an interesting option. Between those two trades I'm not sure how much the half-season + playoffs you get from him costs, but it wouldn't be hard to trade him again.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

Trading for him and flipping him is kind of an interesting option. Between those two trades I'm not sure how much the half-season + playoffs you get from him costs, but it wouldn't be hard to trade him again.

I mean, it could work but we'd have to know going in that we are not going to get the same value back this summer. Which is fine.

 

[Dr Jan Itor]

I mean, it could work but we'd have to know going in that we are not going to get the same value back this summer. Which is fine.

If we're talking about losing a 1st + 2nd + prospect, but then getting back a 1st + 3rd + maybe slightly lesser prospect, it's definitely worth considering, though "prospect" is a fairly wide range.

Moving Lambos and even getting an O'Rourke-type guy back is still probably a slight gut punch.

 

[Jesus comma Brodin]

If we're talking about losing a 1st + 2nd + prospect, but then getting back a 1st + 3rd + maybe slightly lesser prospect, it's definitely worth considering, though "prospect" is a fairly wide range.

So there are 2 different situations here, at least in my opinion that is essentially irrelevant.

1st/2nd+high prospect @ 50% retained.

1st/2nd+lesser prospect for no retention.

If we get JT @ 50% retained, we are able to keep him around for the remainder of his deal when the cap hit is an effing steal @ $2.625M

 

[GuerinUp]

If we're talking about losing a 1st + 2nd + prospect, but then getting back a 1st + 3rd + maybe slightly lesser prospect, it's definitely worth considering, though "prospect" is a fairly wide range.

Moving Lambos and even getting an O'Rourke-type guy back is still probably a slight gut punch.

hard to say, you could potentially get more than you bought him for since itll be the offseason and more teams will want his services