Proposal: Toronto and Columbus

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  1. letsgooooooojackets

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    To TOR:
    Jack Johnson
    Ryan Murray
    2018 1st
    2019 conditional third (if Bozak re signs)

    To CBJ
    Tyler Bozak
    Jake Gardiner
     
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    As a leaf fan I like it. A first and a conditional 3rd for Bozak is an over payment. Johnson and Murray for Gardiner is fair.
     
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    My question
     
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    What a **** poor deal for Columbus. Bozak is not an improvement over Wennberg, and at best a marginal one over Dubinsky, so he would be redundant in their system. Heck, they even have Jenner, looking at a bounce back year in 17-18, and Dubois, who has massive potential (albeit questionable as a C). That is not something they should be trading Murray for.

    A neutral counter-proposal, assuming that Columbus traded from their blue line to acquire help at center...

    Nazem Kadri
    Connor Carrick

    for

    David Savard
    Tyler Motte


    With both teams acquiring something for the position in which they are weak at, they end up with another position looking relatively thin. That's why Motte and Carrick are there - they are somewhat viable options for their respective teams' bottom lines or pairings. Kadri and Savard are pretty equal in value, hence why I didn't bother to add picks to either side of the equation.
     
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    Respectful pass from Toronto. Value is very fair, just think kadri would be missed in the lineup more than the upgrade that savard would provide

    I'd do Carrick+ for Savard, but I imagine Columbus is looking for now players and not pick/prospect
     
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    I'd do it as a Leafs fan.

    This deal sucks for CBJ.
     
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    Why im open to trading Gardiner ,

    Left shooting Dman we have in our system . Just to new few !
    Rielly
    Andrew Nielsen
    ANDREAS BORGMAN
    CALLE ROSÉN
    Travis Dermott
    Fedor Gordeev
    Ryan O'Connell
    J.D. Greenway
    Keaton Middleton
    Stephen Desrocher
     
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    Is the OP serious? That deal is way too much in favour for the Leafs. The counter proposal mentioned is way more fair.
    Does Bozak have any value, other than as a TDL acquisition? And then he'd garner a second, at best. I like Gardiner.
     
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    The 1st offer is a God no from the CBJ and the 2nd one makes no sense. We cant trade savard or jones we have no RHD depth outwide of them. We already have murray playing offhand and didnt play as well partially because that.
     
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    Yup, nobody needs 50 point C's...

    A swing and a miss.
     
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    Is he a 50pt C on every team? If he's playing 3C in a primarily defensive spot is 50 a guarantee? The Jackets don't need a 3C anyways they need a 1 or 2. Wennberg as one and slide Dubi down to 3 hopefully. But I'd rather Dubi over Bozak any day for a 2C so Bozak has 0 purpose for us.
     
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    Bozak has hit 50 points just once in his career.
     
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    done and done
     
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    Thereby making him a 50 point C
     
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    I might do this as a Jackets fan - if they really want to go for it this year and they can't get a better center, then this might work. Still, the picks really tilt the value. They would probably get a much better center elsewhere, maybe even Duchene, for that package.

    The first deal is better for Columbus. I wouldn't do the second. I know Kadri is more valuable than Bozak, but Savard is >>> Murray and JJ. He's not replaceable, they are. Look at the wowys from last year, Savard carried JJ.
     
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    Why would you use him that way? Dubinsky would be your matchup C as always and Bozak would be your second offensive C with Wennberg.

    This 2/3 nomenclature is ********.
     
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    But then they wouldn't have Gardiner too....
     
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    Only Reilly can play top 4 minutes no one on that list can be anything but a 3rd pair lhd this upcoming season. Just because the leafs have depth doesn't mean they are good enough for the top 4.
     
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    You might want to try paying attention to what happens at the deadline this year...or any other deadline in the past for that matter. Then you'll see how wrong this statement is. Players much worse than Bozak fetch much more than a 2nd on a consistent basis.
     
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    Bozak probably gets second and an okay prospect or 2 seconds
     
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    Because Dubi can score the same while playing defense as well... why trade good players for 0 upgrade?
     
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    Don't need him.

    Werenski, Carlsson, Nutivaara (all '15ers) all need minutes on the left side. Get a cheap vet to help when needed. Kukan and Harrington I think are good 6/7 options too.

    I know the name recognition isn't there yet, and there's some risk, but the three young D there were better than Murray and JJ. And if the older D have enough value to score a #1C, then the Jackets should be all over it.
     
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    Do you have a third C better than (or even close to) Bozak?

    Dubi = Kadri (playing defense and scoring points).

    Wennberg = Matthews (figuratively)

    Bozak = Bozak.

    If you are gunning for a true #1C well then that package ain't gonna do it.

    You also seem to overlook the fact that Jake Gardiner is... by far... the best player in this deal, and choose to argue over Tyler Bozak.

    Wennberg
    Dubinsky
    Bozak

    Werenski - Jones
    Gardiner - Savard

    pretty sweet

    Using your logic, why would the Leafs make this trade ... neither JJ or Murray are an upgrade on Gardiner?
     
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