Agreed. There's a handful of examples of similar players returning a 1st so it's possible, but more likely along the lines of what you've quoted. But the chances of him only returning a 2nd are pretty remote IMO.
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Agreed. There's a handful of examples of similar players returning a 1st so it's possible, but more likely along the lines of what you've quoted. But the chances of him only returning a 2nd are pretty remote IMO.
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I wouldn't do it. Jack Johnson is a UFA in a year and we're giving up the clear best player in the deal.
Take out Gardiner and your 2 LHD and we can work around Bozak alone instead if need be. Albeit, there's a lot of teams that need a #2/Middle-6 C so I wouldn't be surprised to see his cost being more than others think.
2, 2nd rounders would be on the low-end of a buying price, IMO.
Take out Gardiner and your 2 LHD and we can work around Bozak alone instead if need be. Albeit, there's a lot of teams that need a #2/Middle-6 C so I wouldn't be surprised to see his cost being more than others think.
2, 2nd rounders would be on the low-end of a buying price, IMO.
I'm saying we have Dubi and Wennberg. We want a guy that MAKES Dubi move down. We want Dubi to do what he does but at a lesser TOI for a more offensively focused playmaker. A Duchene, T. Johnson, or maybe Little. PLD might even be able to do it for us but you can't expect a 19yo to come in am immediately do that. Bozak just comes into the 3C and makes us trade valuable assets to take time away from our kid developing and not being a big improvement. Duchene or TJ can bring in a different speedy offensive playstyle then our grit.
No one is mentioning Gardiner because he isn't needed here. We have overload at LHD and I'd rather have JJ with Savard. If also rather Murray with Jones and Werenski with Savard. Anyone thay doubts Murray watch him and Jones.
That is god awful for Columbus. If you're being serious, Bozak needs to be swapped out for Kadri.
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The point is he is effectively an extended rental at this point. Unless CBJ plans to re-sign at his new UFA rate which I doubt they do.
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thats like saying zits couldn't be a top 4 last year. which he was do some scouting report on the 2 euros we singed this off season
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There is really no deal to be made between these teams. Columbus would want Kadri. They might - stressing might pick up Bozak at the trade deadline if he's a cheap acquisition. Since the Leafs are probably a playoff contender, I doubt they will be selling at the deadline.
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Can a CBJ fan give me a report on Ryan Murray.
His stats seem underwhelming but I don't get a chance to see him in action very much.
What is his value?
His stats seem underwhelming but I don't get a chance to see him in action very much.
What is his value?
The average CBJ fan will say defensive minded top 4 with upside. 2 people in the entire fan base will say bottom pair at best. There are some of us that see him as 2/3D with still a tiny upside but likely always a 2/3 who can always play top pair shutdown.
The average consensus though would be top 4 with #2 potential I think.
Good vision, stick work, strength, positioning, passing, awareness. Never had much of a shot. Was a very good skater, but he's been markedly slowed due to injury (like Olli Maatta, but not that slow). His offensive game is untapped, imo, I think he could play as a PP distributor for most clubs, just not Columbus. There is a substantial risk with his injuries - he was held out of the playoffs this year and I think it was because of something more fundamental than the hand injury.
You might get a #2D who scores 30+ points with PP time, or you might get a guy who barely plays. No one knows.
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I would just like Jenner from the Jackets. Leafs need some more physicality and skill in their lineup.
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no they wouldnt
I doubt the leafs even do Murray + 1st + 3rd for Gardiner let alone with Bozak included.
easily their best dman last year, late 1st and 3rd do nothing for the team as is so..... yeah no
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Seeing how the advance stats marks don't even consider JJ an NHL caliber talent, Murray is just ok, a pick is always nice but not a need for the Leafs. Total pass.
Don't want to give up a C where we have no depth and the best defenseman in the deal. People saying CBJ is getting rip off? The **** does this deal do for the Leafs?
HFBoards in a nutshell ladies and gentlemen.
ONE proven NHL defenseman!!
You didn't even sign Desrocher.
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Jackets aren't going to beat what Sakic wants- which was rumoured to be Hamonic, 1st, and a prospect. If the rumours are true of course.
And as a Leaf fan, I'd do that deal easily. No to the OP's offer when you factor in contracts.
Jackets can beat that. Sakic switched his attention from Murray to Carlsson for the centerpiece, that's the problem for Jarmo. Everybody wants the ELCs.
I didn't state otherwise. My point is simply rental or not, clearly Bozak returns more than a single 2nd round pick.
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Doesn't that argument work both ways? What has Murray done other getting drafted 2 OA, honesty is he half the defenseman that Gardiner is? How do the numbers bear out.
JJ sucks and Murray < Gardiner, the OP proposal is silly.
Well we have a #3 overall pick who has been touted all off-season as "should be ready to not only make the team, but make the team better" by the Jackets FO
So why would we waste asset's when we don't need Bozak.
THE ONLY TRADE FOR A CENTER WILL BE SOMEONE BETTER THAN OR EQUAL TO WENNBERG.
