Proposal: Toronto and Calgary (Not Nylander or Hamilton)

[Jared Dunn]

I do like Kapanen though. A simple prospect swap would be good imo: Mangiapane for Kapanen.

Not sure why Toronto would have any real interest in that swap, they're the same age but Kapanen has already cracked an NHL roster on a team with better wingers

 

[Jared Dunn]

not after the year he had. he got out-produced by Polak, who played 20 fewer games. Giving up a blue chipper like Kapanen for such an offensive black hole is poised to completely blow up in the Leafs' face down the line

Quiiiiiiiite the use of hyperbole on both of these.

Although I agree Kapanen should be hung on to, Hamonic would be a great addition for Toronto. Evaluating him by points is the lazy man's way

 

[rent free]

not after the year he had. he got out-produced by Polak, who played 20 fewer games. Giving up a blue chipper like Kapanen for such an offensive black hole is poised to completely blow up in the Leafs' face down the line

Kapanen lost his blue chip status when he gratuated to the minor league team and has been unimpressive since. 10 points in 60 games isn't good. Harmonic is a defensive defender. He isn't supposed to put up points. He would be Toronto best right handed defender for sure.

 

[Randy Randerson]

Quiiiiiiiite the use of hyperbole on both of these.

Although I agree Kapanen should be hung on to, Hamonic would be a great addition for Toronto. Evaluating him by points is the lazy man's way

his underlying metrics have been pretty atrocious for the last couple of years too, not sure if he's an upgrade on what we have on the right side and the Leafs really need a guy who's a big upgrade there

 

[CantLoseWithMatthews]

his underlying metrics have been pretty atrocious for the last couple of years too, not sure if he's an upgrade on what we have on the right side and the Leafs really need a guy who's a big upgrade there

yeah I don't always like to drag advanced stats into discussions, but his cf%, gf%, and xgf% are all negative relative to his team. he also doesn't play particularly tough minutes and he plays with a partner who's better than he is. that all tells me that his defensive impact is heavily overstated. Plus he brings worse offensive production than Polak, which terrifies me

 

[Randy Randerson]

yeah I don't always like to drag advanced stats into discussions, but his cf%, gf%, and xgf% are all negative relative to his team. he also doesn't play particularly tough minutes and he plays with a partner who's better than he is. that all tells me that his defensive impact is heavily overstated. Plus he brings worse offensive production than Polak, which terrifies me

agree, I'm just not for pursuing Hamonic, even less for pursuing Stone. Rasmus Andersson is interesting if we could do it as a prospect/young player swap for someone other than Liljegren but that's about the extent I see of potential for trades with Calgary

 

[Brock Radunske]

No to trading our stalwart.

We must have been watching different games because the above is more accurate.

 

[Potty John]

I wouldn’t be opposed to it but I’d definitely like another late pick added to sweeten the pot.

 

[The CyNick]

Toronto receives Hamonic

Calgary reveries Kapanen and 2019 Third Round pick

Toronto gets RHD who had a rough year in Calgary and could use a quick change. (Yes I know he wants to live out west but he doesn't have a NMC or NTC). He was a staple in NYI so he could try to regain his form playing along side Reilly or Dermott.

Calgary gets a young skilled RW, something they desperately need to play in the top 6. Can play on PP or PK with amazing speed and some good hands. Has a good upside as well and is still on his ELC. Third rounder is thrown in due to Calgary giving so much up for Hamonic.

Who said no?

Sorry Flames fans, you're stuck with that anchor

 

[Brobust]

yeah I don't always like to drag advanced stats into discussions, but his cf%, gf%, and xgf% are all negative relative to his team. he also doesn't play particularly tough minutes and he plays with a partner who's better than he is. that all tells me that his defensive impact is heavily overstated. Plus he brings worse offensive production than Polak, which terrifies me

His partner's pretty bad. Brodie has been in a downward spiral since being separated from Giordano.

BTW, watch the same thing happen with Dougie Hamilton.

 

[93LEAFS]

I also chuckled. Didn't Hamonic want to be traded to Western Canada to be closer to his family? He's not getting moved.

To be honest, there is no real difference to getting where his family is from in Manitoba from either Calgary or Toronto. One is a 2 and a half hour flight, the other is 2 hours and 5 minutes to Winnipeg. It's much shorter going from Calgary to Winnipeg by Car, but still a 14 hour drive and its due to the fact driving from Toronto you have to go around the Great Lakes.

 

[filthyMitz]

I also chuckled. Didn't Hamonic want to be traded to Western Canada to be closer to his family? He's not getting moved.

Does he have a NMC?

 

[LeafsNation75]

Does he have a NMC?

No he does not.

Travis Hamonic - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

 

[DFF]

Not sure why the Flames want to trade their top 4 dman on a good contract and all round good guy for a bust 10 career points

 

[The List Of Jericho]

that is way too low value for Hamonic imo. Kap+1st for Hamonic+3rd is much more fair value for calgary

Ya that’s not happening...I might not give a 1st for Hamonic at this point more less a 1st and Kapanen.

 

[Sparky93]

Leafs should just pursue Myers or Faulk and quit making atrocious low ball proposals for the Flames young RHD

 

[Lunatik]

We must have been watching different games because the above is more accurate.

yeah, because clearly you never watched any

 

[Lunatik]

Hamonic is not being traded. He is only only defensive defenseman

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Not enough from Toronto.

Calgary passes.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

not after the year he had. he got out-produced by Polak, who played 20 fewer games. Giving up a blue chipper like Kapanen for such an offensive black hole is poised to completely blow up in the Leafs' face down the line

Kapanen is not a blue chipper at all.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Calgary gave a 1st and 2 2nd for Hamonic and he was an utter flop over there. At least for the first half of the season. Why exactly would Toronto want to hand over Kapanen + 1st? Leafs aren't in the business of helping other teams erase their mistakes.

Yeah, you don't know anything about Hamonic, he was fine after he adjusted and hardly a flop.

 

[Halla]

Easy no from the Flames. Kapanen has some nice potential but this is a player with 10 career NHL points. A third round pick? Take a look and see what other RD in their prime under contract have been going for for the last couple years.

hard to rack pts playing the 4th line alongside martin and moore.

11g in his last 43 games (including playoffs) despite 0 time on the PP or alongside talented players is a better indication of his ability

 

[Halla]

Yeah, you don't know anything about Hamonic, he was fine after he adjusted and hardly a flop.

sure. but then you go and make a comment about kapanen which suggests you know nothing about him. 2nd most dangerous leaf in the playoffs (outside of marner)

 

[DFF]

sure. but then you go and make a comment about kapanen which suggests you know nothing about him. 2nd most dangerous leaf in the playoffs (outside of marner)

LOL...That says more about how big the choke the Leafs are than Kapanen

 

[Leaf Fans]

Kapanen lost his blue chip status when he gratuated to the minor league team and has been unimpressive since. 10 points in 60 games isn't good. Harmonic is a defensive defender. He isn't supposed to put up points. He would be Toronto best right handed defender for sure.

He only graduated this year in January as he eventually took Matt Martin's job. The other 17 regular season games were as call ups so he had not graduated. Of the 13 playoff games he has played in 6 were part of his late season call up and the other 7 were this year. So, I think a full season is warranted.