Confirmed with Link: [TOR/NJD] Andreas Johnsson for Joey Anderson

[Menzinger]

I still think a healthy Johnsson is getting a bit understold here. It was the right time to sell given his health/injury history, but the guy was one of the rare draft successes and when he was fully healthy was a good player

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

20 lbs or more too heavy for Dubas.

And 2 inches too tall

Kerfoot is the only Leaf regular listed under 6'. We are on par with the rest of the league with a height average of 6'1.

 

[Martin Skoula]

He hasn't been healthy for more than 2 years. He had a great Calder trophy run then a good season, cashed in and has not live up to that contract since.

Not being able to rebound from a normal injury because he caught a once in a lifetime virus doesn't change that he signed a market value contract at the time. If you sign a 40 point RFA to a market value deal and he gets in a car crash on the way home, that doesn't make the contract he signed an overpayment because a freak incident took away his ability to play at the level you paid for.

Either way, he was moved for positive value, this isn't even a good use of revisionist history.

 

[TDotMassive]

Listed 5'11" at 3 spots i checked.
The only Leaf regular without a 6 for height was Kerfoot.

Weird... ok 5'11 and 190 lbs, doesn't matter much. He plays heavy hockey.

 

[Bluelines]

Not being able to rebound from a normal injury because he caught a once in a lifetime virus doesn't change that he signed a market value contract at the time. If you sign a 40 point RFA to a market value deal and he gets in a car crash on the way home, that doesn't make the contract he signed an overpayment because a freak incident took away his ability to play at the level you paid for.

Either way, he was moved for positive value, this isn't even a good use of revisionist history.

Maybe its revisionist because the memory you had was false? AJ had one good NHL season, not normally the recipe for a 4.3 times increase in compensation, one season, one good season. For the Leaf fans that clearly remember him, he was small, had a motor that would not quit and bounced off most opponents with regularity. His skill set was not uncommon, what was uncommon was a guy with one year experience receiving a 4.3 times raise. It was not a good value contract, is not a good value contract and will never be a good value contract.

 

[Martin Skoula]

Maybe its revisionist because the memory you had was false? AJ had one good NHL season, not normally the recipe for a 4.3 times increase in compensation, one season, one good season. For the Leaf fans that clearly remember him, he was small, had a motor that would not quit and bounced off most opponents with regularity. His skill set was not uncommon, what was uncommon was a guy with one year experience receiving a 4.3 times raise. It was not a good value contract, is not a good value contract and will never be a good value contract.

Crazy that NJ gave us value for a bad value contract out of their own volition, lucky Dubas.

 

[Bluelines]

Crazy that NJ gave us value for a bad value contract out of their own volition, lucky Dubas.

Bad GM's overvalue players all the time, yes Dubas was indeed lucky.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I think Kapanen was more like MacArthur while Johnsson was more like Jason Blake.

Jason Blake scored 40 goals in a season

 

[Nylanderthal]

Unsurprisingly, you're completely ignoring the value of having those players for the time we did, the fact that the Marleau trade was about more than just Kapanen and Johnsson, the fact that the expansion draft necessitated an asset loss for everybody, and the fact that the global pandemic-induced flat cap caused those "cap space issues" that required a change of plans for pretty much everybody in the league.

Minor details… more like footnotes lol. it’s amazing the lengths some posters here are willing to go to sell a narrative

 

[Bluelines]

Minor details… more like footnotes lol. it’s amazing the lengths some posters here are willing to go to sell a narrative

... and the fact people keep bringing up the pandemic as a excuse for GM's not having cap space. In 2006 the league established an escrow system in order to protect the owners from a situation where revenues would not follow projections. The league told everyone 15 years ago through the escrow system, it was one of the sticking points during the lock out/strike that the league would not budge on, don't expect your revenues to be on an upward trajectory for infinity, there is a possibility that revenues could stagnate or drop.

If the league felt so passionately about protecting the owners from flat revenues, why in F would GM's just ignore that warning and spend to the cap expecting to have more cap next year, and the next year and so on?

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession, they are cyclical, they are ever present in our economy. there were financial indicators back when Marner, Matthews and Nylander signed (The Inverted Yield Curve and Recession | Robert P. Murphy), we knew a down turn in the economy was coming, we didn't know a pandemic would coincide at the same time. We know every decade there will be a stretch of 2 or 3 years when the economy is in a valley, we know revenues will be flat as a result. Over estimate your expenses, underestimate your revenue (income). It's budgeting 101.

 

[ACC1224]

Bad GM's overvalue players all the time, yes Dubas was indeed lucky.

Good GM's overvalue players as well. There isn't a GM in existence that hasn't made a bad trade/signing/pick at some point.

 

[Carltons Cup]

Kerfoot is the only Leaf regular listed under 6'. We are on par with the rest of the league with a height average of 6'1.

Did money boy Mitch suddenly go through a recent puberty growth spurt?

 

[TorMapleJays]

Did money boy Mitch suddenly go through a recent puberty growth spurt?

Every time he closes his mentions on IG the leafs PR staff adds an inch to his height for compensation.

He is actually 4’5

 

[Sypher04]

... and the fact people keep bringing up the pandemic as a excuse for GM's not having cap space. In 2006 the league established an escrow system in order to protect the owners from a situation where revenues would not follow projections. The league told everyone 15 years ago through the escrow system, it was one of the sticking points during the lock out/strike that the league would not budge on, don't expect your revenues to be on an upward trajectory for infinity, there is a possibility that revenues could stagnate or drop.

If the league felt so passionately about protecting the owners from flat revenues, why in F would GM's just ignore that warning and spend to the cap expecting to have more cap next year, and the next year and so on?

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession, they are cyclical, they are ever present in our economy. there were financial indicators back when Marner, Matthews and Nylander signed (The Inverted Yield Curve and Recession | Robert P. Murphy), we knew a down turn in the economy was coming, we didn't know a pandemic would coincide at the same time. We know every decade there will be a stretch of 2 or 3 years when the economy is in a valley, we know revenues will be flat as a result. Over estimate your expenses, underestimate your revenue (income). It's budgeting 101.

And yet, every single team negotiated long term deals just the same as Dubas did, with their young players with cap projection 100% involved.

Even IF cap growth had stagnated, which there is no evidence was looming, as even modest growth years saw the cap grow by small amounts, the promise of the upcoming US TV deal this year and new revenue from the Seattle franchise would once again propell the cap.

 

[Dekes For Days]

AJ had one good NHL season, not normally the recipe for a 4.3 times increase in compensation

There's nothing unusual about a player getting 3.4m after the year Johnsson had. Players see a "4.3 time" jump, and sometimes much bigger ones, all the time, as they show what they can do in the NHL and move off their ELCs. The contract was just fine, which is why we got value for it, during the offseason with the least available league-wide cap, even after he had a worse season.

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession

Even in the case of a recession, which even if it happened, would not have been as bad as the previous recession, the cap would have still seen significant and rapid growth. We were looking at a ~3.5m jump that next offseason alone, even before any of the new revenue sources. The only reason we are seeing this stagnation in the cap is the pandemic.

 

[aingefan]

AJ was pretty good until injuries.
Hasn’t bounced back.
JA is tenacious, hope he gets a crack this year.

 

[Nylanderthal]

... and the fact people keep bringing up the pandemic as a excuse for GM's not having cap space. In 2006 the league established an escrow system in order to protect the owners from a situation where revenues would not follow projections. The league told everyone 15 years ago through the escrow system, it was one of the sticking points during the lock out/strike that the league would not budge on, don't expect your revenues to be on an upward trajectory for infinity, there is a possibility that revenues could stagnate or drop.

If the league felt so passionately about protecting the owners from flat revenues, why in F would GM's just ignore that warning and spend to the cap expecting to have more cap next year, and the next year and so on?

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession, they are cyclical, they are ever present in our economy. there were financial indicators back when Marner, Matthews and Nylander signed (The Inverted Yield Curve and Recession | Robert P. Murphy), we knew a down turn in the economy was coming, we didn't know a pandemic would coincide at the same time. We know every decade there will be a stretch of 2 or 3 years when the economy is in a valley, we know revenues will be flat as a result. Over estimate your expenses, underestimate your revenue (income). It's budgeting 101.

Tldr but yeah, let’s blame management for not predicting a fookin global shutdown.

 

[nuck]

Even some uninjured players did not have a decent Covid year. Also NJ crushed its players offense last season so he might not be as done as he looks but it could also be he isn't Ruff material. Best of luck to him. Anderson also regressed statistically last season but the team as a whole had some problems. He may not be Moore material.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

Kerfoot is the only Leaf regular listed under 6'. We are on par with the rest of the league with a height average of 6'1.

The problem is that our bigger players act like they are 5'9" when they play. I don't care about the height of the player as much as his willingness to play hard.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

... and the fact people keep bringing up the pandemic as a excuse for GM's not having cap space. In 2006 the league established an escrow system in order to protect the owners from a situation where revenues would not follow projections. The league told everyone 15 years ago through the escrow system, it was one of the sticking points during the lock out/strike that the league would not budge on, don't expect your revenues to be on an upward trajectory for infinity, there is a possibility that revenues could stagnate or drop.

If the league felt so passionately about protecting the owners from flat revenues, why in F would GM's just ignore that warning and spend to the cap expecting to have more cap next year, and the next year and so on?

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession, they are cyclical, they are ever present in our economy. there were financial indicators back when Marner, Matthews and Nylander signed (The Inverted Yield Curve and Recession | Robert P. Murphy), we knew a down turn in the economy was coming, we didn't know a pandemic would coincide at the same time. We know every decade there will be a stretch of 2 or 3 years when the economy is in a valley, we know revenues will be flat as a result. Over estimate your expenses, underestimate your revenue (income). It's budgeting 101.

Stop making so much sense...it might hurt the narrative that Covid was the only thing that could've messed up the cap.

 

[zeke]

... and the fact people keep bringing up the pandemic as a excuse for GM's not having cap space. In 2006 the league established an escrow system in order to protect the owners from a situation where revenues would not follow projections. The league told everyone 15 years ago through the escrow system, it was one of the sticking points during the lock out/strike that the league would not budge on, don't expect your revenues to be on an upward trajectory for infinity, there is a possibility that revenues could stagnate or drop.

If the league felt so passionately about protecting the owners from flat revenues, why in F would GM's just ignore that warning and spend to the cap expecting to have more cap next year, and the next year and so on?

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession, they are cyclical, they are ever present in our economy. there were financial indicators back when Marner, Matthews and Nylander signed (The Inverted Yield Curve and Recession | Robert P. Murphy), we knew a down turn in the economy was coming, we didn't know a pandemic would coincide at the same time. We know every decade there will be a stretch of 2 or 3 years when the economy is in a valley, we know revenues will be flat as a result. Over estimate your expenses, underestimate your revenue (income). It's budgeting 101.

This literally has nothing to do with capspace.


Anyways, another solid trade by Dubey.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

The problem is that our bigger players act like they are 5'9" when they play. I don't care about the height of the player as much as his willingness to play hard.

I agree. I'll take a team full of Yanni Gourdes all day. The narrative that Dubas built a tiny team is really dumb. Soft? Absolutely. Tiny, no. Move Engvall and bring in Cizikas or someone who plays with more bite.

 

[saffronleaf]

Hope Anderson becomes a regular in the lineup. From the little I've read about him, he seems Hyman-like in some respects (hustle, puck retrieval, speed). Maybe he can slot in higher in the lineup.

 

[Havoc]

... and the fact people keep bringing up the pandemic as a excuse for GM's not having cap space. In 2006 the league established an escrow system in order to protect the owners from a situation where revenues would not follow projections. The league told everyone 15 years ago through the escrow system, it was one of the sticking points during the lock out/strike that the league would not budge on, don't expect your revenues to be on an upward trajectory for infinity, there is a possibility that revenues could stagnate or drop.

If the league felt so passionately about protecting the owners from flat revenues, why in F would GM's just ignore that warning and spend to the cap expecting to have more cap next year, and the next year and so on?

You couldn't predict a pandemic with any certainty but you sure as heck could predict a recession, they are cyclical, they are ever present in our economy. there were financial indicators back when Marner, Matthews and Nylander signed (The Inverted Yield Curve and Recession | Robert P. Murphy), we knew a down turn in the economy was coming, we didn't know a pandemic would coincide at the same time. We know every decade there will be a stretch of 2 or 3 years when the economy is in a valley, we know revenues will be flat as a result. Over estimate your expenses, underestimate your revenue (income). It's budgeting 101.

The actual financial geniuses around the entire league, not only the Leafs, predicted it would be around 84-88 by now. Really interested to see your counter claim to these people. Enlighten us why the cap was not actually going to rise in a world covid never happened?

 

[Bluelines]

The actual financial geniuses around the entire league, not only the Leafs, predicted it would be around 84-88 by now. Really interested to see your counter claim to these people. Enlighten us why the cap was not actually going to rise in a world covid never happened?

The answer to the question you asked was clearly in the post you replied to, last paragraph.