Toggle sidebar

Confirmed Signing with Link: [TOR] G Keith Petruzzelli signs ELC with the Maple Leafs (2 years, $817.5k AAV)

Jersey Fan 12

Jersey Fan 12

Positive Vibes
Nov 20, 2006
6,083
2,603
TheBeastCoast said:
I mean...yes seeing as he never played a single game in the Wings system lol
Click to expand...

Fair enough. Usually envision that term to mean drafted and developed by a team over a number of years in the minors.

Such as Jack Campbell came up through the Stars' system or Cayden Primeau is a product of the Montreal system, etc.
 
  • Like
Reactions: ManByng
TheBeastCoast

TheBeastCoast

Registered User
Mar 23, 2011
31,407
31,647
Dartmouth,NS
Jersey Fan 12 said:
Fair enough. Usually envision that term to mean drafted and developed by a team over a number of years in the minors.

Such as Jack Campbell came up through the Stars' system or Cayden Primeau is a product of the Montreal system, etc.
Click to expand...
Right but if Cayden Primeau was drafted by Montreal, played 3 or 4 years in the NCAA and then signed for San Jose well his development as a pro player is happening entirely with San Jose. Which is what is happening with Petruzzelli.
 
serp

serp

Registered User
Jan 17, 2016
20,715
12,642
TheBeastCoast said:
Genuine question....has the contract limit ever actually stopped a team from making an addition? Like even once. Seems like one of those things that is talked about disproportionally on here for the amount it actually matters in reality.
Click to expand...

Teams shouldn't sign up to the contract limit in the offseason for that reason. Flexibility if something goes wrong Leafs signed too many fringe NHL players they don't actually needed to contracts and now have them hang out in the AHL.
 
TheBeastCoast

TheBeastCoast

Registered User
Mar 23, 2011
31,407
31,647
Dartmouth,NS
serp said:
Teams shouldn't sign up to the contract limit in the offseason for that reason. Flexibility if something goes wrong Leafs signed too many fringe NHL players they don't actually needed to contracts and now have them hang out in the AHL.
Click to expand...
....has it ever stopped a team from making a move? Every time I have seen a team up against the contract limit they just end up shipping a player or two on the backend of the 50 man for like future considerations. So again has it ever stopped a team from making a transaction?
 
serp

serp

Registered User
Jan 17, 2016
20,715
12,642
TheBeastCoast said:
....has it ever stopped a team from making a move? Every time I have seen a team up against the contract limit they just end up shipping a player or two on the backend of the 50 man for like future considerations. So again has it ever stopped a team from making a transaction?
Click to expand...

Maybe for a couple of weeks/days . There's allways a way to make room eventually. Throw give away a b-c level prospect you like but not really love for example or add picks to a player you no longer want. Things like that. If you sign up to the limit it'll cost you assets to free up the room if you really need it.
 
  • Haha
Reactions: Insidefi
TheBeastCoast

TheBeastCoast

Registered User
Mar 23, 2011
31,407
31,647
Dartmouth,NS
serp said:
Maybe for a couple of weeks/days . There's allways a way to make room eventually. Throw give away a b-c level prospect you like but not really love for example or add picks to a player you no longer want. Things like that. If you sign up to the limit it'll cost you assets to free up the room if you really need it.
Click to expand...
Again I do not think a team has ever had to trade away a legit prospect to clear a contract spot. It just isn't a thing. This is one of those things that is a bigger issue in HF land then in practice.
 
  • Like
Reactions: Insidefi
FerrisRox

FerrisRox

"Wanna go, Prettyboy?"
Sep 17, 2003
20,334
13,037
Toronto, Ontario
TheBeastCoast said:
Genuine question....has the contract limit ever actually stopped a team from making an addition? Like even once. Seems like one of those things that is talked about disproportionally on here for the amount it actually matters in reality.
Click to expand...

Genuine question... How on earth would anyone outside the front office of the team in question have any clue whether a transaction didn't happen cause they didn't have the contract space?
 
  • Like
Reactions: SannywithoutCompy
TheBeastCoast

TheBeastCoast

Registered User
Mar 23, 2011
31,407
31,647
Dartmouth,NS
FerrisRox said:
Genuine question... How on earth would anyone outside the front office of the team in question have any clue whether a transaction didn't happen cause they didn't have the contract space?
Click to expand...
Having to pay some kind of actual price to clear contracts? Usually is just like future considerations or whatever.
 

13pacheco31

Registered User
Jan 17, 2014
2,024
983
serp said:
Only if that player has some worth. If he's more or less worthless it would cost an actual mid round pick at least. Nobody is helping a team in a bind for free.
Click to expand...
Minor league contract for future considerations. Happens all the time
 
serp

serp

Registered User
Jan 17, 2016
20,715
12,642
13pacheco31 said:
Minor league contract for future considerations. Happens all the time
Click to expand...

If a team was in a massive bind and needed to do a deal in the next 1-2 days they'd likely get squeezed to cough up something with some value.
 
ManByng

ManByng

It's Me OilTastic
Aug 4, 2009
5,195
519
St. Albert, Alberta
Dion TheFluff said:
Campbell probably should be with the way he's been playing recently
Click to expand...
You ain't kidding though! Saw the shite show Oilers game yesterday afternoon live and in person and some WEAK goals were given up by Campbell no question, and he's done this all year ! Coulda just kept Koskinen for a million less per year and get goals like that !! :rolleyes:
 
  • Like
Reactions: Dion TheFluff and GreatDayforHockey

Discoverer

Registered User
Apr 11, 2012
10,832
6,004
FerrisRox said:
Genuine question... How on earth would anyone outside the front office of the team in question have any clue whether a transaction didn't happen cause they didn't have the contract space?
Click to expand...

Obviously there could be situations we don't know about, but are there any examples of teams up against the contract limit paying to move a player to make room? Like... a team that had to dump a solid prospect or attach a pick to someone specifically to clear a contract spot?

Realistically, you just see teams waive guys on the fringes (like the Leafs did) or trade someone of no consequence in the AHL or something.
 
Canada4Gold

Canada4Gold

Registered User
Dec 22, 2010
42,997
9,190
serp said:
Teams shouldn't sign up to the contract limit in the offseason for that reason. Flexibility if something goes wrong Leafs signed too many fringe NHL players they don't actually needed to contracts and now have them hang out in the AHL.
Click to expand...

IMO the Leafs issue is they have 4 guys under contract playing in Europe for some reason plus Amirov who would likely be doing the same if not for his situation. They're essentially at 45 contracts for actual pieces for the current team plus depth. Which is completely reasonable. We have a 5th goalie under contract, but for some reason he's in Europe playing in the SHL. That's fine for his development but he was just drafted last year. Why the rush to sign him to the contract if you're not even going to use him in an emergency 3 of our other 4 goalies are hurt situation? So now we have to use another contract spot on a 6th goalie. Burning ELC years and contract spots on prospects developing in Europe confuses me.

TheBeastCoast said:
....has it ever stopped a team from making a move? Every time I have seen a team up against the contract limit they just end up shipping a player or two on the backend of the 50 man for like future considerations. So again has it ever stopped a team from making a transaction?
Click to expand...

The only one deal I can think of that was a clear contract dump was when we traded 5 guys for Grabner who was a cap dump at the time. 5 Contract dumps for a Cap dump. 1 of those 5 guys we had just signed a couple months prior. Carter Verhaeghe. Verhaeghe was the guy who had the most value and he was mostly valueless at the time. We didn't have to give up any assets except take the 1 year cap of Grabner.

Similar deal today might be like SDA, Gogolev, Ellis, Clifford, and Dahlstrom for a guy making 4 million who's not great but can play on a NHL roster. Of course, Leafs don't have much cap space(except LTIR that they'd rather use for upgrades) either so not something they would do.

But I don't think they'd have any issue convincing someone to take say SDA for free. He'd probably be the Verhaeghe in that situation. It's the lower end like Gogolev who have literally no use to any team.
 
Last edited:
You must log in or register to reply here.

Ad

Latest posts

Upcoming events

Ad

Ad

Top Bottom