Top-50 NHLers at this point?

[Maplebeasts]

Realistic Leaf Fan here. Here's the top 100

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Connor McDavid
3. Erik Karlsson
4. Patrick Kane
5. Carey Price
6. Evgeni Malkin
7. Nicklas Backstrom
8. Drew Doughty
9. Brent Burns
10. Nikita Kucherov
11. Ryan Getzlaf
12. Jamie Benn
13. Victor Hedman
14. Alex Ovechkin
15. Tyler Seguin
16. Jonathan Toews
17. John Tavares
18. Steven Stamkos
19. Brad Marchand
20. Mark Scheifele
21. Duncan Keith
22. Vladimir Tarasenko
23. Johnny Gaudreau
24. Patrice Bergeron
25. Braden Holtby
26. Anze Kopitar
27. Auston Matthews
28. Blake Wheeler
29. Joe Pavelski
30. Jack Eichel
31. Artemi Panarin
32. Roman Josi
33. Leon Draisaitl
34. PK Subban
35. Sergei Bobrovsky
36. Kris Letang
37. Phil Kessel
38. Alex Pietrangelo
39. Shea Weber
40. Patrik Laine
41. Jeff Carter
42. Filip Forsberg
43. David Pastrnak
44. Aleksander Barkov
45. Devan Dubnyk
46. Ryan Johansen
47. Henrik Zetterberg
48. Ryan Kesler
49. Claude Giroux
50. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
51. Ryan McDonagh
52. Ryan O'Reilly
53. Ryan Suter
54. Pekka Rinne
55. Max Pacioretty
56. Evgeny Kuznetsov
57. Mikael Granlund
58. Taylor Hall
59. Jonathan Quick
60. Henrik Lundqvist
61. Mikko Koivu
62. TJ Oshie
63. Mark Stone
64. Jakub Voracek
65. Eric Staal
66. Sean Monahan
67. Logan Couture
68. Mark Giordano
69. Viktor Arvidsson
70. Dustin Byfuglien
71. Marc-Edouard Vlasic
72. Zach Werenski
73. Jeff Skinner
74. Cory Schneider
75. Corey Crawford
76. Seth Jones
77. Jonathan Huberdeau
78. Kevin Shattenkirk
79. Cam Talbot
80. Matt Murray
81. Corey Perry
82. Nathan MacKinnon
83. Nikolaj Ehlers
84. Mitch Marner
85. Mike Hoffman
86. Joe Thornton
87. Cam Atkinson
88. William Nylander
89. Cam Fowler
90. Tuukka Rask
91. Matt Duchene
92. Aaron Ekblad
93. Nazem Kadri
94. Mats Zuccarello
95. Alexander Wennberg
96. John Klingberg
97. David Krejci
98. Alexander Radulov
99. Justin Schultz
100. James Van Riemsdyk

Thoughts?

I didn't know being a "realistic" Leafs fan meant underrating the hell out of them. How Nylander and Marner can be behind Arvidsson, Oshie, Monahan, Shattenkirk, Huberdeau, etc. is beyond me. This is made especially worse when you consider that Pastrnak is a full 40+ places ahead of both, despite spending his entire season with an 85 point Marchand and the arguable best two way forward of the decade in Bergeron.

 

[Semantics]

Because that's what he is. He's a rookie. At least let the guy play another season before he becomes a top 50 player.

What does being a rookie have to do with it? He was #2 in the league in goals, getting less ice time than many of the others too, and he's not in the top 50 players?

 

[BruinLVGA]

I didn't know being a "realistic" Leafs fan meant underrating the hell out of them. How Nylander and Marner can be behind Arvidsson, Oshie, Monahan, Shattenkirk, Huberdeau, etc. is beyond me. This is made especially worse when you consider that Pastrnak is a full 40+ places ahead of both, despite spending his entire season with an 85 point Marchand and the arguable best two way forward of the decade in Bergeron

Nope.

 

[Cuddles]

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Sidney Crosby
3. Connor Mcdavid
4. Roman Josi
5. Victor Hedman
6. Evgeni Malkin
7. Patrick Kane
8. Marc-Edouard Vlasic
9. Nicklas Bäckström
10. Drew Doughty
11. Duncan Keith
12. Nikita Kucherov
13. Brad Marchand
14. Kristopher Letang
15. Brent Burns
16. Carey Price
17. Ryan Suter
18. Steven Stamkos
19. Vladimir Tarasenko
20. Artemi Panarim
21. Mark Giordano
22. Joe Pavelski
23. Braden Holtby
24. Alex Pietrangelo
25. Ryan Getzlaf
26. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
27. Sergei Bobrovsky
28. Alexander Ovechkin
29. PK Subban
30. Anze Kopitar
31. Leon Draisaitl
32. Phil Kessel
33. Blake Wheeler
34. Mark Scheifele
35. Auston Matthews
36. John Tavares
37. Claude Giroux
38. Ryan McDonagh
39. Patrik Laine
40. Evgeny Kuznetsov
41. Jonathan Toews
42. Henrik Zetterberg
43. Filip Forsberg
44. Matthew Tkachuk
45. Jack Eichel
46. Jakub Vorácek
47. Mats Zuccarello
48. Tyler Seguin
49. Johnny Gaudreau
50. Anton Stralman

Top 20

Canada 10
Russia 4
Sweden 3
USA 2
Switzerland 1

Top 50

Canada 20
USA 9
Russia 9
Sweden 7
Switzerland 1
Slovenia 1
Germany 1
Finland 1
Norway 1
Czech Republic 1

 

[SotasicA]

I think the top ten are all goalies. And about half of the top 50 players are goalies.

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2213583

 

[Laineux]

Wouldn't include Ovechkin in my top 50 anymore.

 

[Gavy]

Barkov is better than those guys right now. He's just as good offensively and far better defensively, prominent on the #1 PP and PK units. One of the more underrated players in the league.

Just as good offensively yet it only took Matthews 1 season to beat Barkovs career points by 10 points and career high in goals by 12.

Nice try, though

 

[Choralone]

Realistic Leaf Fan here. Here's the top 100

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Connor McDavid
3. Erik Karlsson
4. Patrick Kane
5. Carey Price
6. Evgeni Malkin
7. Nicklas Backstrom
8. Drew Doughty
9. Brent Burns
10. Nikita Kucherov
11. Ryan Getzlaf
12. Jamie Benn
13. Victor Hedman
14. Alex Ovechkin
15. Tyler Seguin
16. Jonathan Toews
17. John Tavares
18. Steven Stamkos
19. Brad Marchand
20. Mark Scheifele
21. Duncan Keith
22. Vladimir Tarasenko
23. Johnny Gaudreau
24. Patrice Bergeron
25. Braden Holtby
26. Anze Kopitar
27. Auston Matthews
28. Blake Wheeler
29. Joe Pavelski
30. Jack Eichel
31. Artemi Panarin
32. Roman Josi
33. Leon Draisaitl
34. PK Subban
35. Sergei Bobrovsky
36. Kris Letang
37. Phil Kessel
38. Alex Pietrangelo
39. Shea Weber
40. Patrik Laine
41. Jeff Carter
42. Filip Forsberg
43. David Pastrnak
44. Aleksander Barkov
45. Devan Dubnyk
46. Ryan Johansen
47. Henrik Zetterberg
48. Ryan Kesler
49. Claude Giroux
50. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
51. Ryan McDonagh
52. Ryan O'Reilly
53. Ryan Suter
54. Pekka Rinne
55. Max Pacioretty
56. Evgeny Kuznetsov
57. Mikael Granlund
58. Taylor Hall
59. Jonathan Quick
60. Henrik Lundqvist
61. Mikko Koivu
62. TJ Oshie
63. Mark Stone
64. Jakub Voracek
65. Eric Staal
66. Sean Monahan
67. Logan Couture
68. Mark Giordano
69. Viktor Arvidsson
70. Dustin Byfuglien
71. Marc-Edouard Vlasic
72. Zach Werenski
73. Jeff Skinner
74. Cory Schneider
75. Corey Crawford
76. Seth Jones
77. Jonathan Huberdeau
78. Kevin Shattenkirk
79. Cam Talbot
80. Matt Murray
81. Corey Perry
82. Nathan MacKinnon
83. Nikolaj Ehlers
84. Mitch Marner
85. Mike Hoffman
86. Joe Thornton
87. Cam Atkinson
88. William Nylander
89. Cam Fowler
90. Tuukka Rask
91. Matt Duchene
92. Aaron Ekblad
93. Nazem Kadri
94. Mats Zuccarello
95. Alexander Wennberg
96. John Klingberg
97. David Krejci
98. Alexander Radulov
99. Justin Schultz
100. James Van Riemsdyk

Thoughts?

You're the only one I think who had Jeff Carter on his top 50, and I think that's the right call. He was the best forward on the Kings last year and he has been consistently good for us since 2012.

 

[TheRexman]

Stats are listed as Points - Pts, Shots and percentage, Game winning Goals - GWG, Blocked Shots - BS, Give aways - GA, Take aways - TA and +/- associated for that stat. All the players listed here had a higher ATOI than Matthews.

Matthews Pts 69 Shots 279 14.3% GWG 8 BS 61 GA 44 TA 76 +32 ATOI 17:38

The bolded below is for a stat the player has better than Matthews.

These are the players on your list that Matthews had the same or more pts than this season

Ovechkin Pts 69 Shots 313 10.5% GWG 7 BS 29 GA 46 TA 29 -17 ATOI 18:22
Benn Pts 69 Shots 201 12.9% GWG 4 BS 47 GA 55 TA 55 +0 ATOI 19:22
Pavelski Pts 68 Shots 233 12.4% GWG 7 BS 73 GA 84 TA 33 -51 ATOI 19:07
Tavares Pts 66 Shots 260 10.8% GWG 3 BS 20 GA 81 TA 63 -18 ATOI 20:25
Gaudreau Pts 61 Shots 182 9.9% GWG 3 BS 14 GA 86 TA 44 -42 ATOI 18:29
Giroux Pts 58 Shots 199 7.0% GWG 3 BS 28 GA 35 TA 38 +3 ATOI 19:07
Toews Pts 58 Shots 199 10.6% GWG 5 BS 32 GA 37 TA 37 +0 ATOI 20:09
Kopitar Pts 52 Shots 150 8.0% GWG 0 BS 59 GA 37 TA 29 -8 ATOI 20:46
Bergeron Pts 53 Shots 181 7.7% GWG 7 BS 158 GA 23 TA 65 +42 ATOI 19:25

I get your argument with these players. The history is there.


These are the players on your list that didn't outscore Matthews this season or any season in their career

Forsberg Pts 58 Shots 234 13.2% GWG 9 BS 26 GA 62 TA 76 +14 ATOI 18:31 Highest Career pts total 64
Giordano Pts 39 Shots 151 07.9% GWG 4 BS 184 GA 43 TA 45 +2 ATOI 23:35 Highest Career pts total 56
MacKinnon Pts 53 Shots 251 06.4% GWG 4 BS 30 GA 45 TA 47 +2 ATOI 19:57 Highest Career pts total 63
O'Reilly Pts 55 Shots 189 10.6% GWG 3 GS 45 GA 27 TA 58 +31 ATOI 21:28 Highest Career pts total 64
Barkov Pts 52 Shots 142 14.8% GWG 5 BS 30 GA 30 TA 49 +19 ATOI 19:24 Highest Career pts total 59
Pietrangelo Pts 48 Shots 181 07.7% GWG 4 BS 158 GA 27 TA53 +26 ATOI 25:17 Highest Career pts total 51

I didn't bother with goalies or defense because there are a lot more variables to compare however, why are these guys who have never produced more than Matthews ranked ahead of him? Are you one of those people who thinks he's not going to get any better?

 

[Peat]

You forgot about Drai.

Murray is definitely not the 15th best player in the league, especially not the second best goalie. He's not even top 5.

15th best, no, gods no, but not top 5? Equal 5th with Dubynk and Price for save percentage this regular season out of all goalies playing 40 or more games does kinda put him in the conversation.

 

[CCook37]

1. Erik Karlsson
2. Sidney Crosby
3. Connor Mcdavid
4. Roman Josi
5. Victor Hedman
6. Evgeni Malkin
7. Patrick Kane
8. Marc-Edouard Vlasic
9. Nicklas Bäckström
10. Drew Doughty
11. Duncan Keith
12. Nikita Kucherov
13. Brad Marchand
14. Kristopher Letang
15. Brent Burns
16. Carey Price
17. Ryan Suter
18. Steven Stamkos
19. Vladimir Tarasenko
20. Artemi Panarim
21. Mark Giordano
22. Joe Pavelski
23. Braden Holtby
24. Alex Pietrangelo
25. Ryan Getzlaf
26. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
27. Sergei Bobrovsky
28. Alexander Ovechkin
29. PK Subban
30. Anze Kopitar
31. Leon Draisaitl
32. Phil Kessel
33. Blake Wheeler
34. Mark Scheifele
35. Auston Matthews
36. John Tavares
37. Claude Giroux
38. Ryan McDonagh
39. Patrik Laine
40. Evgeny Kuznetsov
41. Jonathan Toews
42. Henrik Zetterberg
43. Filip Forsberg
    [*]Matthew Tkachuk
    [*]Jack Eichel
44. Jakub Vorácek
45. Mats Zuccarello
46. Tyler Seguin
47. Johnny Gaudreau
48. Anton Stralman

Top 20

Canada 10
Russia 4
Sweden 3
USA 2
Switzerland 1

Top 50

Canada 20
USA 9
Russia 9
Sweden 7
Switzerland 1
Slovenia 1
Germany 1
Finland 1
Norway 1
Czech Republic 1

The bolded made me literally Laugh Out Loud.

 

[Laineux]

Just as good offensively yet it only took Matthews 1 season to beat Barkovs career points by 10 points and career high in goals by 12.

Nice try, though

Barkov hasn't had healthy seasons. He is a much better two-way player than Matthews though.

But he appears to be extremely injury prone and that's a negative.

 

[shortfuze]

What does being a rookie have to do with it? He was #2 in the league in goals, getting less ice time than many of the others too, and he's not in the top 50 players?

Cause everyone is upset that he's not a top 50 player. Who cares. He had a good year. What happens if he has a **** year next year and only gets 40 points? Is he still a top 50 player? there's a lot of good players out there. I'm a huge fan of his but not worried about him being a top player. Let him grow.

 

[Breakers]

Realistic Leaf Fan here. Here's the top 100


75. Corey Crawford
76. Seth Jones
77. Jonathan Huberdeau
78. Kevin Shattenkirk
79. Cam Talbot
80. Matt Murray
81. Corey Perry
82. Nathan MacKinnon
83. Nikolaj Ehlers
84. Mitch Marner
85. Mike Hoffman
86. Joe Thornton
87. Cam Atkinson
88. William Nylander
89. Cam Fowler
90. Tuukka Rask
91. Matt Duchene
92. Aaron Ekblad
93. Nazem Kadri
94. Mats Zuccarello
95. Alexander Wennberg
96. John Klingberg
97. David Krejci
98. Alexander Radulov
99. Justin Schultz
100. James Van Riemsdyk

Thoughts?

NO........

 

[Cuddles]

The bolded made me literally Laugh Out Loud.

https://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2351563

 

[CCook37]

Makes him better than Eichel?

 

[KingTux]

Murray is definitely not the 15th best player in the league, especially not the second best goalie. He's not even top 5.

Can we ban Leafs fans forever? Lets assume you think McDavid and Crosby are the best two players in the world, you're saying a 69 point Matthews with 40 goals is better than Karlsson, Malkin, Kane, Hedman, Kucherov, Marchand etc.. he is good but don't be dumb

Let them have their own website and be done with it.

Such a dream

 

[VoluntaryDom]

Realistic Leaf Fan here. Here's the top 100

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Connor McDavid
3. Erik Karlsson
4. Patrick Kane
5. Carey Price
6. Evgeni Malkin
7. Nicklas Backstrom
8. Drew Doughty
9. Brent Burns
10. Nikita Kucherov
11. Ryan Getzlaf
12. Jamie Benn
13. Victor Hedman
14. Alex Ovechkin
15. Tyler Seguin
16. Jonathan Toews
17. John Tavares
18. Steven Stamkos
19. Brad Marchand
20. Mark Scheifele
21. Duncan Keith
22. Vladimir Tarasenko
23. Johnny Gaudreau
24. Patrice Bergeron
25. Braden Holtby
26. Anze Kopitar
27. Auston Matthews
28. Blake Wheeler
29. Joe Pavelski
30. Jack Eichel
31. Artemi Panarin
32. Roman Josi
33. Leon Draisaitl
34. PK Subban
35. Sergei Bobrovsky
36. Kris Letang
37. Phil Kessel
38. Alex Pietrangelo
39. Shea Weber
40. Patrik Laine
41. Jeff Carter
42. Filip Forsberg
43. David Pastrnak
44. Aleksander Barkov
45. Devan Dubnyk
46. Ryan Johansen
47. Henrik Zetterberg
48. Ryan Kesler
49. Claude Giroux
50. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
51. Ryan McDonagh
52. Ryan O'Reilly
53. Ryan Suter
54. Pekka Rinne
55. Max Pacioretty
56. Evgeny Kuznetsov
57. Mikael Granlund
58. Taylor Hall
59. Jonathan Quick
60. Henrik Lundqvist
61. Mikko Koivu
62. TJ Oshie
63. Mark Stone
64. Jakub Voracek
65. Eric Staal
66. Sean Monahan
67. Logan Couture
68. Mark Giordano
69. Viktor Arvidsson
70. Dustin Byfuglien
71. Marc-Edouard Vlasic
72. Zach Werenski
73. Jeff Skinner
74. Cory Schneider
75. Corey Crawford
76. Seth Jones
77. Jonathan Huberdeau
78. Kevin Shattenkirk
79. Cam Talbot
80. Matt Murray
81. Corey Perry
82. Nathan MacKinnon
83. Nikolaj Ehlers
84. Mitch Marner
85. Mike Hoffman
86. Joe Thornton
87. Cam Atkinson
88. William Nylander
89. Cam Fowler
90. Tuukka Rask
91. Matt Duchene
92. Aaron Ekblad
93. Nazem Kadri
94. Mats Zuccarello
95. Alexander Wennberg
96. John Klingberg
97. David Krejci
98. Alexander Radulov
99. Justin Schultz
100. James Van Riemsdyk

Thoughts?

Hedman and OEL too low

 

[NeverForget06]

I applaud the effort. You could ask 1000 HFers to give their top 50 NHLers and maybe 2 people would have the same list.

Edit: I thought about it again. I actually think it would be improbable that out of 1000 people 2 of them would produce identical lists. This is why general list threads on HF are always torn apart. They certainly make for good conversation though.

 

[BlueBaron]

Some people need to grow thicker skins. Two or three guys go on about Matthews being as good as McDavid and the rest of us all have to pay for it. Childish.

First list was made by a Montrealer so that puts Matthews omission into perspective. It is reasonable to expect a guy tied for 2nd in goals to be considered a top 50 players.

I get that some of you are just trying to get a rise out of some of our fans or you hate the Leafs so much you are just being petty but most reasonable people would give him the benefit of the doubt and say he's top 50. He was tied with Ovechkin for 20th in scoring after all.

Conversely saying he is top 3 is ridiculous and embarrassing.

 

[HockeyFan100]

It's crazy how underrated Pavelski and Wheeler are around here. These guys have been putting up great seasons for years now and they barely make the top 50...

 

[Doublechin]

1. Sidney Crosby
2. Erik Karlsson
3. Connor McDavid
4. Evgeni Malkin
5. Patrick Kane
6. Carey Price
7. Brent Burns
8. Drew Doughty
9. Nicklas Backstrom
10. Jamie Benn
11. Nikita Kucherov
12. Victor Hedman
13. Ryan Getzlaf
14. Alex Ovechkin
15. Tyler Seguin
16. Mark Scheifele
17. John Tavares
18. Braden Holtby
19. Auston Matthews
20. Steven Stamkos
21. Duncan Keith
22. Vladimir Tarasenko
23. Jack Eichel
24. Blake Wheeler
25. Leon Draisaitl
26. Anze Kopitar
27. Brad Marchand
28. Joe Pavelski
29. Patrice Bergeron
30. Artemi Panarin
31. Roman Josi
32. Johnny Gaudreau
33. Jonathan Toews
34. Aleksander Barkov
35. David Pastrnak
36. Alex Pietrangelo
37. PK Subban
38. Patrik Laine
39. Ryan Suter
40. Phil Kessel
41. Sergei Bobrovsky
42. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
43. Shea Weber
44. Filip Forsberg
45. Evgeny Kuznetsov
46. Kris Letang
47. Pekka Rinne
48. Ryan McDonagh
49. Ryan Johansen
50. Ryan Kesler

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

I love how by post #2 this is already a Matthews related thread.

FWIW, Matthews not on the list is a joke. Easily top 10-15 at this point IMO.

 

[Conspiracy Theorist]

1. Matthews
2. McDavid
3. Crosby
4. Karlsson
5. Malkin
6. Kane
7. Marner
8. Burns
9. Backstrom
10. Doughty
11. Gaudreau
12. Kucherov
13. Price
14. Hedman
15. Benn
16. Holtby
17. Keith
18. Tarasenko
19. Eichel
20. Stamkos
21. Marchand
22. Ovechkin
23. Tavares
24. Subban
25. Suter
26. Pavelski
27. Bergeron
28. Josi
29. Kessel
30. Reilly
31. Bobrovsky
32. Pietrangelo
33. Nylander
34. Suter
35. Forsberg
36. Kopitar
37. Getzlaf
38. Kuznetsov
39. Dubnyk
40. Zaitsev
41. Panarin
42. Carter
43. Giroux
44. Weber
45. Oliver-Ekman-Larsson
46. McDonagh
47. Johansen
48. Letang
49. Murray
50. Kadri

 

[teravaineSAROS]

I didn't know being a "realistic" Leafs fan meant underrating the hell out of them. How Nylander and Marner can be behind Arvidsson, Oshie, Monahan, Shattenkirk, Huberdeau, etc. is beyond me. This is made especially worse when you consider that Pastrnak is a full 40+ places ahead of both, despite spending his entire season with an 85 point Marchand and the arguable best two way forward of the decade in Bergeron.

I'm sure you're objective and non-emotional in your opinion